Question from the wiki. When performing a tallon roll, if you cannot place the ship except at the far back position, do you successfully complete the tallon roll? The rules reference description under Bearing makes me think it fails to complete.

According to the rules, it looks like you must be able to complete a normal turn maneuver first. If you can do place your ship at the end of the turn, only then do you get to rotate 90 degrees and pick one of the three end positions. Is that correct?

I ask because no one I know has been playing it correctly. Looking up the rules to answer the wiki question surprised me, and I want to sanity-check that this is the right interpretation.

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Tallon Roll: The (left Tallon Roll) and (right Tallon Roll) bearings advance a ship at a tight curve to one side, sharply changing its facing by 180º. This uses the same template as the left turn and right turn maneuvers.

• If the ship fully executes the maneuver, before the player places the ship at the opposite end of the template, the ship is rotated 90º to the left for a left tallon roll, or 90º to the right for a right tallon roll. Then the player places the ship with the hashmark on the side of the base aligned to the left, middle, or right of the end of the template, (similar to a barrel roll).

This question is already being debated in another thread:

Strongest consensus (as of this post) is that you check the rotated positions rather that a standard position at the end of the template. I have linked @theBitterFig 's post from that thread because it is one of the clearest outlays.

Thank you! I'll pass that on to the wiki visitor.

4 hours ago, Wazat said:

Thank you! I'll pass that on to the wiki visitor.

In case you missed it, there was a controversial call at the System Open in Canada last week. He ruled the way you said, where you have to be able to fit the 3-turn first, where in that situation only forward or back fit (idk which).

Obviously you can see how he ruled that way, and I read it that way as well, briefly. But considering both the Rules Reference and the core rules I changed my mind pretty quickly. And there’s all that conversation you can read there, obviously

9 hours ago, SpiderMana said:

where in that situation only forward or back fit (idk which).

Forward. Had the dubious pleasure of watching that call live... 😒