Over / Under

By Boom Owl, in X-Wing

Copy the list and bold ships Green or Blue (Undercosted) or Red (Overcosted) or leave Unbolded ( Costed ).

If you cant change the colors just type a ( + or - ) or ( Under or Over ) next to the ship.

I haven't included every ship, just most of em. Add missing hyperspace ones if you really need to.

First Order:

  • Quickdraw - 45
  • Backdraft - 41
  • Omega Squadron - 36
  • Zeta Squadron - 34
  • Kylo - 76
  • Blackout - 64
  • Recoil - 59
  • First Order Test Pilot - 58
  • Midnight - 44
  • Malarus - 41
  • Scorch - 35
  • Longshot - 33
  • Null - 31
  • Omega Squadron - 31
  • Epsilon Squadron - 28
  • Stridan - 63
  • Tavson - 62
  • Dormitz - 60
  • Starkiller - 56

Resistance:

  • Poe - 68
  • Ello - 56
  • Nien - 55
  • Temmin - 54
  • Pava - 52
  • Black Squadron - 50
  • Bastian - 48
  • Expert - 48
  • Rookie - 46
  • Lulo - 38
  • Tallisan - 35
  • Green Squadron - 34
  • Blue Recruit - 32
  • Rey - 80
  • Han - 76
  • Chewie - 72
  • Sympathizer - 68
  • Finch - 66
  • Edon - 66
  • Ben - 63
  • Vennie - 62
  • Cat - 59
  • Cobalt - 58

Scum:

  • Fenn Rau - 68
  • Old T - 56
  • Kad Solus - 54
  • Skull Squadron - 50
  • Zealous - 44
  • Han Solo - 54
  • Lando - 49
  • Freighter Captain - 46
  • Lando - 29
  • L337 - 26
  • Boba - 86
  • Emon - 76
  • Frost - 71
  • Bounty Hunter - 66
  • Proach - 32
  • Seevor - 30
  • Ahhav - 30
  • Yushyn - 26
  • Surveyor - 25
  • Miner - 24

Empire

  • Vader - 65
  • Maarek - 46
  • Ved Foslo - 45
  • Storm Squadron - 40
  • Duchess - 42
  • Sabacc/Countdown - 44
  • Black Squadron - 38
  • Sentinel - 34
  • Howl/Iden - 40
  • Scourge/Mauler - 32
  • Wampa/Hask - 30
  • Night Beast - 26
  • Black Squadron - 26
  • Vermiel - 49
  • Feroph - 47
  • Vizier - 45
  • Scarif - 41

Rebels

  • Luke - 62
  • Wedge - 52
  • Thane - 48
  • Biggs - 48
  • Red Squadron - 43
  • Norra - 41
  • Dutch - 39
  • Gold Squadron - 33
  • Gray Squadron - 31
  • Han - 82
  • Lando - 80
  • Chewie - 73
  • Smuggler - 69
  • Saw - 52
  • Magva - 50
  • Tubes - 47
  • Renegade - 43
Edited by Boom Owl
9 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Copy the list and bold ships Green (Undercosted) or Red (Overcosted) or leave Unbolded ( Costed ).

First Order:

  • Tavson - 62
  • Dormitz - 60

Resistance:

  • Poe - 68
  • Nien - 55
  • Lulo - 38
  • Tallisan - 35

Scum:

  • Skull Squadron - 50
  • Seevor - 30

Empire

  • Maarek - 46
  • Ved Foslo - 45
  • Storm Squadron - 40

Rebels

  • Han - 82
  • Lando - 80

Besides above, it's hard to tell yet if everything else feels actually costed right or maybe under/over. These are just stand outs where there isn't any second guessing if it's actually costed correctly.

Edited by RStan
17 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Copy the list and bold or lable ships Green (Undercosted) or Red (Overcosted) or leave Unbolded ( Costed ).

I haven't included every ship, just most of em. Add missing hyperspace ones if you really need to.

First Order:

  • Quickdraw - 45
  • Backdraft - 41
  • Omega Squadron - 36
  • Zeta Squadron - 34
  • Kylo - 76
  • Blackout - 64
  • Recoil - 59
  • First Order Test Pilot - 58
  • Midnight - 44
  • Malarus - 41
  • Scorch - 35
  • Longshot - 33
  • Null - 31
  • Omega Squadron - 31
  • Epsilon Squadron - 28
  • Stridan - 63
  • Tavson - 62
  • Dormitz - 60
  • Starkiller - 56

Resistance:

  • Poe - 68
  • Ello - 56
  • Nien - 55
  • Temmin - 54
  • Pava - 52
  • Black Squadron - 50
  • Bastian - 48
  • Expert - 48
  • Rookie - 46
  • Lulo - 38
  • Tallisan - 35
  • Green Squadron - 34
  • Blue Recruit - 32
  • Rey - 80
  • Han - 76
  • Chewie - 72
  • Sympathizer - 68
  • Finch - 66
  • Edon - 66
  • Ben - 63
  • Vennie - 62
  • Cat - 59
  • Cobalt - 58

Scum:

  • Fenn Rau - 68
  • Old T - 56
  • Kad Solus - 54
  • Skull Squadron - 50
  • Zealous - 44
  • Han Solo - 54
  • Lando - 49
  • Freighter Captain - 46
  • Lando - 29
  • L337 - 26
  • Boba - 86
  • Emon - 76
  • Frost - 71
  • Bounty Hunter - 66
  • Proach - 32
  • Seevor - 30
  • Ahhav - 30
  • Yushyn - 26
  • Surveyor - 25
  • Miner - 24

Empire

  • Vader - 65
  • Maarek - 46
  • Ved Foslo - 45
  • Storm Squadron - 40
  • Duchess - 42
  • Sabacc/Countdown - 44
  • Black Squadron - 38
  • Sentinel - 34
  • Howl/Iden - 40
  • Scourge/Mauler - 32
  • Wampa/Hask - 30
  • Night Beast - 26
  • Black Squadron - 26
  • Vermiel - 49
  • Feroph - 47
  • Vizier - 45
  • Scarif - 41

Rebels

  • Luke - 62
  • Wedge - 52
  • Thane - 48
  • Biggs - 48
  • Red Squadron - 43
  • Norra - 41
  • Dutch - 39
  • Gold Squadron - 33
  • Gray Squadron - 31
  • Han - 82
  • Lando - 80
  • Chewie - 73
  • Smuggler - 69
  • Saw - 52
  • Magva - 50
  • Tubes - 47
  • Renegade - 43

What are we using for a baseline of over/undercosted? Whether the game would be better balanced? Around a baseline of the T65 being fair?

3 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

What are we using for a baseline of over/undercosted? Whether the game would be better balanced? Around a baseline of the T65 being fair?

More interested in how people feel. Choose your own baseline of fairness or definition of balance.

3 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

More interested in how people feel. Choose your own baseline of fairness or definition of balance.

i'm on a phone so I'll do it later, but the Black Squadron Scout at 38 is the biggest, reddest 'Overcosted' that I have ever seen.

First Order:

  • Recoil - 59
  • First Order Test Pilot - 58
  • Dormitz - 60

Resistance:

  • Ello - 56
  • Nien - 55
  • Temmin - 54
  • Lulo - 38
  • Tallisan - 35
  • Green Squadron - 34
  • Blue Recruit - 32

Scum:

  • Kad Solus - 54
  • Skull Squadron - 50
  • Seevor - 30

Empire

  • Maarek - 46
  • Ved Foslo - 45
  • Black Squadron - 38
  • Sentinel - 34

Rebels

  • Han - 82
  • Lando - 80
  • Chewie - 73
Edited by Boom Owl
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On 2/27/2019 at 9:50 AM, Boom Owl said:

Copy the list and bold or lable ships Green (Undercosted) or Red (Overcosted) or leave Unbolded ( Costed ).

I haven't included every ship, just most of em. Add missing hyperspace ones if you really need to.

First Order:

  • Quickdraw - 45
  • Backdraft - 41
  • Omega Squadron - 36
  • Zeta Squadron - 34
  • Kylo - 76
  • Blackout - 64
  • Recoil - 59
  • First Order Test Pilot - 58
  • Midnight - 44
  • Malarus - 41
  • Scorch - 35
  • Longshot - 33
  • Null - 31
  • Omega Squadron - 31
  • Epsilon Squadron - 28
  • Stridan - 63 - I'd go -1 to Stridan and Cardinal, and +2 to Tavson. Minor reshuffle.
  • Tavson - 62
  • Dormitz - 60 - Note: the price is right, but I'd kill the combo with Errata to "small and medium ships" on Dormitz' ability.
  • Starkiller - 56

Resistance:

  • Poe - 68
  • Ello - 56
  • Nien - 55 - Tack on 2 points, so he's more than Ello. The PA tricks seem easier on table than I'd have suspected.
  • Temmin - 54
  • Pava - 52
  • Black Squadron - 50
  • Bastian - 48
  • Expert - 48
  • Rookie - 46
  • Lulo - 38
  • Tallisan - 35 - Weak-ish ability, but only 1 point more than a generic? Talk about not paying a premium for Init 5... I'd only put her up to 36, though.
  • Green Squadron - 34
  • Blue Recruit - 32
  • Rey - 80
  • Han - 76
  • Chewie - 72
  • Sympathizer - 68 - This and Chewie are only 1 point cheaper than the Rebel versions, for a worse dial, action bar, and two fewer shields... Nope. Seeing this at the same 66 as the generic Firespray kinda makes sense to me.
  • Finch - 66
  • Edon - 66
  • Ben - 63
  • Vennie - 62 - Vennie's ability seems stronger than many of the other bombers. Meanwhile, the other more expensive bombers seem a hair overpriced. Like, others down 2, Vennie up 2. Cat/Generic probably fine.
  • Cat - 59
  • Cobalt - 58

Scum:

  • Fenn Rau - 68
  • Old T - 56 - I'd go Old T up 1, Kad down 1. They're pretty close to right.
  • Kad Solus - 54
  • Joy Reckoff - 52 - Seems too high. She needs to equip expensive Torpedoes to do anything, and even then, it seems kind of... meh? I'd consider dropping her to 50 points, but getting rid of her Talent slot.
  • Skull Squadron - 50
  • Zealous - 44
  • Han Solo - 54 - Like Wedge below, a lot of Init 6 just seems underpriced in this game.
  • Lando - 49
  • Freighter Captain - 46
  • Lando - 29
  • L337 - 26
  • Boba - 86
  • Emon - 76 - All the non-Boba Firesprays seem a little bit too far ahead of the generic in price. Down 2 seems fine.
  • Frost - 71
  • Bounty Hunter - 66
  • Proach - 32
  • Seevor - 30
  • Ahhav - 30
  • Yushyn - 26
  • Surveyor - 25
  • Miner - 24

Empire

  • Vader - 65 - Jury is still out on Vader. He might be a bit underpriced (like most Init 6), but I'm not sure. Watch this space?
  • Maarek - 46
  • Ved Foslo - 45
  • Storm Squadron - 40
  • Duchess - 42 - I mean, just a hair. I could see all the named Strikers sitting fine at 44.
  • Sabacc/Countdown - 44
  • Black Squadron - 38
  • Sentinel - 34
  • Howl/Iden - 40
  • Scourge/Mauler - 32
  • Wampa/Hask - 30
  • Night Beast - 26
  • Black Squadron - 26
  • Vermiel - 49
  • Feroph - 47
  • Vizier - 45
  • Scarif - 41

Rebels

  • Luke - 62
  • Wedge - 52 - A lot of Init 6 just seems overall underpriced. Nothing personal to Wedge. Maybe Wedge should cost the same 55 as a QD with SFGunner.
  • Thane - 48
  • Biggs - 48
  • Red Squadron - 43
  • Norra - 41
  • Dutch - 39
  • Gold Squadron - 33
  • Gray Squadron - 31 - Y-Wings got a bit over-buffed. The Turret + Veteran Gunner combo is a 5 point drop over the pre-adjustment prices. Maybe its VTG which needs to go back up in price rather than the Y-Wing, and add a new 4-point gunner which only works with double-end turret attacks (both to trigger and for the bonus). VTG price is awkward, since it's too cheap on a ship with a front arc like a Y-Wing or Scurrg or Starfortress, but overpriced on a YT-1300, K-Wing, or Decimator.
  • Han - 82
  • Lando - 80
  • Chewie - 73
  • Smuggler - 69
  • Saw - 52
  • Magva - 50
  • Tubes - 47
  • Renegade - 43
Edited by theBitterFig

From my experiences:

  • First Order
    • TIE/fo First Order TIE Fighter
      • "Static"
      • "Longshot"
      • "Midnight"
      • "Scorch"
      • "Commander Malarus"
      • "TN-3465"
      • "Null"
      • "Muse"
      • Lieutenant Rivas
      • Epsilon Squadron Cadet
      • Zeta Squadron Pilot (okay, this view sounds wierd given that I don't think the generic Epsilon is wrong. What I mean is that I cannot see any situation where I'd want to take a Zeta over an Epsilon aside from 'theme' if trying to field a pure Zeta Squadron force)
      • Omega Squadron Ace
    • TIE/sf Special Forces TIE Fighter
      • "Quickdraw"
      • "Backdraft"
      • Zeta Squadron Survivor
      • Omega Squadron Expert
  • Galactic Empire
    • TIE/sk Striker
      • Duchess (more because Afterburners and Fifth Brother have gotten so affordable, which arguably benefits her more than any other pilot)
      • Pure Sabbac
      • Countdown
      • Planetary Sentinel
      • Black Squadron Scout
    • TIE/ln Fighter
      • "Night Beast"
      • Valen Rudor (primarily due to the uptick in the price of squad leader and juke)
      • "Howlrunner"
      • "Mauler" Mithel
      • "Scourge" Skutu
      • "Wampa"
      • Academy Pilot
      • Obsidian Squadron Pilot (See comment on Zeta Squadron above)
      • Black Squadron Ace
      • Gideon Hask
      • Seyn Marana
      • Iden Versio
      • Del Meeko
    • TIE Reaper
      • Scarif Base Pilot
      • "Vizier"
      • Major Vermeil
      • Captain Feroph

Edited by Magnus Grendel

First Order:

  • Blackout - 64 
  • Recoil - 59
  • Avenger - 58
  • First Order Test Pilot - 58
  • Sienar-Jaemus Engineer - 52
  • Omega Squadron - 31
  • Epsilon Squadron - 28
  • Tavson - 62
  • Dormitz - 60

Resistance:

  • Ello - 56
  • Nien - 55
  • Temmin - 54
  • L'ulo - 38
  • Tallisan - 35

Scum:

  • Old T - 56
  • Joy - 52
  • Kath - 74

Empire

  • Ved Foslo - 45
  • Storm Squadron - 40
  • Tempest - 38
  • Duchess - 42
  • Howl/Iden - 40
  • Black Squadron - 26
  • Obsidian - 24
  • Academy - 23

Rebels

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Edited by Kieransi

First Order:

  • Quickdraw - 45
  • Backdraft - 41
  • Omega Squadron - 36
  • Zeta Squadron - 34
  • Kylo - 76
  • Blackout - 64
  • Recoil - 59
  • First Order Test Pilot - 58
  • Midnight - 44
  • Malarus - 41
  • Scorch - 35
  • Longshot - 33
  • Null - 31
  • Omega Squadron - 31
  • Epsilon Squadron - 28
  • Stridan - 63
  • Tavson - 62
  • Dormitz - 60
  • Starkiller - 56

Resistance:

  • Poe - 68
  • Ello - 56
  • Nien - 55
  • Temmin - 54
  • Pava - 52
  • Black Squadron - 50
  • Bastian - 48
  • Expert - 48
  • Rookie - 46
  • Lulo - 38
  • Tallisan - 35
  • Green Squadron - 34
  • Blue Recruit - 32
  • Rey - 80
  • Han - 76
  • Chewie - 72
  • Sympathizer - 68
  • Finch - 66
  • Edon - 66
  • Ben - 63
  • Vennie - 62
  • Cat - 59
  • Cobalt - 58

Scum:

  • Fenn Rau - 68
  • Old T - 56
  • Kad Solus - 54
  • Skull Squadron - 50
  • Zealous - 44
  • Han Solo - 54
  • Lando - 49
  • Freighter Captain - 46
  • Lando - 29
  • L337 - 26
  • Boba - 86
  • Emon - 76
  • Frost - 71
  • Bounty Hunter - 66
  • Proach - 32
  • Seevor - 30
  • Ahhav - 30
  • Yushyn - 26
  • Surveyor - 25
  • Miner - 24

Empire

  • Vader - 65
  • Maarek - 46
  • Ved Foslo - 45
  • Storm Squadron - 40
  • Duchess - 42
  • Sabacc/Countdown - 44
  • Black Squadron - 38
  • Sentinel - 34
  • Howl/ Iden - 40
  • Scourge/ Mauler - 32
  • Wampa /Hask - 30
  • Night Beast - 26
  • Black Squadron - 26
  • Vermiel - 49
  • Feroph - 47
  • Vizier - 45
  • Scarif - 41

Rebels

  • Luke - 62
  • Wedge - 52
  • Thane - 48
  • Biggs - 48
  • Red Squadron - 43
  • Norra - 41
  • Dutch - 39
  • Gold Squadron - 33
  • Gray Squadron - 31
  • Han - 82
  • Lando - 80
  • Chewie - 73
  • Smuggler - 69
  • Saw - 52
  • Magva - 50
  • Tubes - 47
  • Renegade - 43

Scum:

  • Kad Solus - 54
  • Skull Squadron - 50
  • Zealous - 44
  • Lando - 49
  • Freighter Captain - 46
  • Emon - 76
  • Frost - 71
  • Seevor - 30
  • Surveyor - 25

Empire

  • Maarek - 46
  • Ved Foslo - 45
  • Storm Squadron - 40
  • Black Squadron - 38
  • Feroph - 47
  • Vizier - 45

Rebels

  • Luke - 62
  • Wedge - 52
  • Thane - 48
  • Norra - 41
  • Chewie - 73
  • Smuggler - 69
  • Saw - 52
  • Magva - 50
  • Tubes - 47

I don't have enough play vs Resistance or First Order, but it sure looks like the Resistance aces are undercosted (shocker) and Starfortresses/Falcons are overcosted. (I still can't believe what 37-40 points gets you in Resistance, vs Scum/Empire). First Order players seem to be using all of their ships including their generics, which is neat.

I gotta say that @Boom Owl has about the right of it, and all those proposing increasing pricing on any named Strikers have been sniffing too many exhaust fumes. Drop the price on the Black Squadron 1-2. Don’t increase Duchess, costing her the same as Sabaac or Countdown and you may as well remove her from the game.

Also she’s one of the few Imperial options worth a toss in Hyperspace, so as an Imperial primary player who is already very displeased with their offerings any increase to one of their viable ships gets met with a ‘pound sand’ reaction.

56 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Chewie - 73

Disagree. Most of the rest of your suggestions seemed solid, but I think just upping the i5/i6 a bit would be best for the Falcon right now. Give people a reason to look at Chewie again.

This is fun! Thanks to those who have responded so far. Its more interesting than an anonymous survey I think.

  • Not sure I agree that Tavson and Duchess are undercosted, though I understand the logic of why someone might think that, they are very powerful.
  • Tavson is the same price as Luke which seems pretty much spot on. Not very mobile and easily countered.
  • Duchess at 42 is a bargain, but maybe exactly how much Lulo should have costed? I5 built in supernatural needs to be 40+ and seems roughly equal to I5 Rear Arc Boost in terms of "movement value".
Edited by Boom Owl

One thing to keep in mind with Duchess, for those who believe she is undercosted, she has a "bid tax" in most cases. While she's 2 pts less than Sabacc and Countdown, she wants a bid to maximize her ability at i5 which generally makes her "base" cost usually higher than Sabacc and Countdown.

1 hour ago, RStan said:

One thing to keep in mind with Duchess, for those who believe she is undercosted, she has a "bid tax" in most cases. While she's 2 pts less than Sabacc and Countdown, she wants a bid to maximize her ability at i5 which generally makes her "base" cost usually higher than Sabacc and Countdown.

It does raise a general question though on what correct cost for the following mechanics even looks like:

  • Pre-Movement Mobility
  • Alternate Arc + Boost
  • Turn Around + Mods
Edited by Boom Owl
1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

  • Resistance:
  • Ello - 56
  • Nien - 55
  • Temmin - 54
  • Lulo - 38
  • Tallisan - 35
  • Green Squadron - 34
  • Blue Recruit - 3

So, I agree pretty hard on L'ulo. On that chasis with that ability and at that initiative, he's definitely at least a 40pt pilot, probably higher. I don't really agree with Tallie, though. Her pilot ability might as well read "I'm a cheap I5" because it does little else. In that respect, I don't think her being cheap is problematic and I do think there's not a lot of room to increase cost without making her unplayable.

Ello and Nien, I'm more on the fence on. I've been playing both pretty consistently for the last few weeks and they do tend to spend a lot of the game with basically no pilot ability. Then, they'll do something bonkers that your opponent can't really hope to keep pace with, but that's been averaging about 2-3 uses a game for me. I'm not sure if they're undercosted based on your average turn-by-turn performance.

11 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:

So, I agree pretty hard on L'ulo. On that chasis with that ability and at that initiative, he's definitely at least a 40pt pilot, probably higher. I don't really agree with Tallie, though. Her pilot ability might as well read "I'm a cheap I5" because it does little else. In that respect, I don't think her being cheap is problematic and I do think there's not a lot of room to increase cost without making her unplayable.

Ello and Nien, I'm more on the fence on. I've been playing both pretty consistently for the last few weeks and they do tend to spend a lot of the game with basically no pilot ability. Then, they'll do something bonkers that your opponent can't really hope to keep pace with, but that's been averaging about 2-3 uses a game for me. I'm not sure if they're undercosted based on your average turn-by-turn performance.

They fit under the same issue of I5 in general. Resistance can get 4 I5’s with all their favorite toys. A few more points to knock off a few options, or to force a few lower I ships would be amiss.

No other faction can get 4 I5 ships like that.

2 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Resistance:

  • Poe - 68
  • Ello - 56
  • Nien - 55
  • Temmin - 54
  • Kare Kune - 53
  • Seastriker - 52
  • Pava - 52
  • Black Squadron - 50
  • Tubbs - 50
  • Bastian - 48
  • Expert - 48
  • Rookie - 46
  • Lulo - 38
  • Greer - 36
  • Tallisan - 35
  • Zari - 35
  • Green Squadron - 34
  • Blue Recruit - 32
  • Rey - 80
  • Han - 76
  • Chewie - 72
  • Sympathizer - 68
  • Finch - 66
  • Edon - 66
  • Ben - 63
  • Vennie - 62
  • Cat - 59
  • Cobalt - 58

Resistance is all I'm playing until everyone proves to me I can't and be competitive, soooo.... I consider these values in a vacuum, naked ships, not including typical builds/upgrades. I've not really played the bombers, so jury is still out for me. The Falcons are bad, all around. I don't doubt how awesome someone is doing at their local 10-25 person events with Poe/Han...I doubt they can sniff the cut at 50+ players. Most of the middle T-70s are just like the Falcons....probably fine locally, not so fine at a larger event. A point or two down for each feels right. Greer does nothing for me at I4 and her ability is even more "meh" to me than Tallie's. I'll concede L'ulo and Tallie should go up a point or two.

Edited by gennataos
14 minutes ago, millertime059 said:

They fit under the same issue of I5 in general. Resistance can get 4 I5’s with all their favorite toys. A few more points to knock off a few options, or to force a few lower I ships would be amiss.

No other faction can get 4 I5 ships like that.

Who cares? The faction lacks the real granularity to do anything about it. My current list has a 5pt bid and 6 underwhelming `1pt EPTs not because I love bids or the EPTs that much, but because there's almost nothing to use those points on.

13 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:

Who  ca  res 

People who fly other factions? People who like to see more turns the same pilots every game?

I mean, straight up, which would you take 1 on 1, in a vacuum. Tallie or Duchess? Both are, effectively, 3 attack, 2 agi, 4 health initiative 5 ships. That’s a tough call, right? Now consider that Tallie naked is 4 points less, gets access to the 1 point Heroic EPT, And can shoot out the rear arc.

My point is that Resistance I5’s are incredible value, and no other faction can put them out in those numbers, and that is an incredible edge for them.

To put a little more context @MasterShake2 there is also the I5 conundrum thread.

So I love A-wings. Problem is that rebel A-wings are strongly outclassed by Resistance ones. And part of that has to do with the volume and value of I5 ships. So the quad I5 Resistance all but ensures that Rebel A’s don’t see play.

This is true of most other fragile I3-4 ships. Which is a shame, as I’d like to be able to put them on the table. But anything that is green dice dependent and maneuverability reliant is really hurt but the I5 swarm archetype.

Sunny Bounder - 30

Or, if your dice are good

Sunny Bounder - 30

40 minutes ago, millertime059 said:

People who fly other factions? People who like to see more turns the same pilots every game?

I mean, straight up, which would you take 1 on 1, in a vacuum. Tallie or Duchess? Both are, effectively, 3 attack, 2 agi, 4 health initiative 5 ships. That’s a tough call, right? Now consider that Tallie naked is 4 points less, gets access to the 1 point Heroic EPT, And can shoot out the rear arc.

My point is that Resistance I5’s are incredible value, and no other faction can put them out in those numbers, and that is an incredible edge for them.

Tallie naked is 7 points less...

3 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

First Order:

  • Kylo - 76
  • Blackout - 64
  • Recoil - 59
  • First Order Test Pilot - 58
  • Dormitz - 60

Resistance:

  • Poe - 68
  • Ello - 56
  • Nien - 55
  • Lulo - 38
  • Tallisan - 35
  • Green Squadron - 34
  • Blue Recruit - 32

Scum:

  • Fenn Rau - 68
  • Kad Solus - 54
  • Skull Squadron - 50
  • Emon - 76
  • Frost - 71
  • Bounty Hunter - 66

Empire

  • Maarek - 46
  • Ved Foslo - 45
  • Storm Squadron - 40
  • Black Squadron - 38
  • Sentinel - 34
  • Feroph - 47
  • Vizier - 45
  • Scarif - 41

Rebels

  • Luke - 62
  • Wedge - 52
  • Gold Squadron - 33
  • Gray Squadron - 31
  • Han - 82
  • Lando - 80

OK, so I'm a bit more knee-jerk as I'm just settling in to playing 2.0, but it seems post points change, there are some real waves pushing the meta in certain directions. And no salt on the Resistance A's but they make the Rebel As look stupid, that's why they are under-costed.

Good thing you didn't have Lea Crew, Sloan, Heroic, etc. in here, because that really makes some things tic... or not.

Edited by clanofwolves