Vehicle and Starship sizes.

By AldousSnow, in Star Wars: Legion

I made some of these a while back before the game launched for friendly reference. Made some updates recently. Thought I'd repost.

The gray area represents the default 3x6ft play area. The black dots are individual mini bases.

***All info taken from the Wiki pages regarding accepted canon size. I used the best available top view photos possible. If something is off by a millimeter, don't shoot the messenger lol.***

*The AT-AT referenced is the version from ESB. Other variants exist, and get gradually larger than the one shown here.*

Furthermore, if anyone has any ships or vehicles they'd like to see, I can start another image. Hope this helps for terrain building, or just a better visual.

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I'm glad to see this. People recommend things they want added to the game as standard units all the time without considering how gigantic they are. Republic gunship is a good example.

21 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

I'm glad to see this. People recommend things they want added to the game as standard units all the time without considering how gigantic they are. Republic gunship is a good example.

Thanks. Yeah, the one that lead me to make this back in the day was the Imperial Shuttle. That thing is way bigger than I thought.

34 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

I'm glad to see this. People recommend things they want added to the game as standard units all the time without considering how gigantic they are. Republic gunship is a good example.

It honestly just doesn't look that big.

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At its highest point it is 3.5 clones tall. It's maybe 10-13 clone shoulder widths wide. I definitely think it's plausible.

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4 minutes ago, lologrelol said:

At its highest point it is 3.5 clones tall. It's maybe 10-13 clone shoulder widths wide. I definitely think it's plausible.

I think this might be a case of the official LFL sizes not matching what's shown on screen sometimes. I think in Legends they even made a different type of Republic Gunship in order to reconcile the size differences whcihc doesn't exist any more. There are a few other examples. The question is how much leeway they will give FFG when making models when it comes to size/scale. Frankly, I'd love to see something like this, but with the official size it just wont work in the basic game as a normal unit.

Guess we shall see what they do. I can definitely see them doing a flyer.

17 minutes ago, lologrelol said:

Guess we shall see what they do. I can definitely see them doing a flyer.

Well, they've already done a couple of them.

3 hours ago, arnoldrew said:

People recommend things they want added to the game as standard units all the time without considering how gigantic they are.

Yeah it's consistently been advertised as "a game of infantry battles" but people want to re-collect their favorite toys I guess.

13 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Yeah it's consistently been advertised as "a game of infantry battles" but people want to re-collect their favorite toys I guess.

It's more that the coolest stuff includes some of the big toys. Every main battle in the film involves the big stuff, even many of the smaller engagements use vehicles of some kind. I think vehicles are just as legitimate a part of the game as infantry, as they have been in it since the beginning. I definitely agree that bikes and light vehicles should be a part of the game. But I just really love some of these iconic units (the AAT, gunship, bug walker clone thing lol) and think they make the game feel epic, like a real battle. Maybe later in the game's development, there could be a place for the bigger stuff in larger games. But I honestly don't think it would be that hard fitting in the AAT and gunship.

1 minute ago, lologrelol said:

But I honestly don't think it would be that hard fitting in the AAT and gunship.

Something like that or the AT-AT would have to be in a 1600 point game on a 6x8 table probably. Or a special scenario.

With the top down, competitive play model, keeping the games manageable for tournaments will probably preclude vehicles that big. But every time I get too annoyed about the balance issues with the T-47 or whatever I just have to remind myself, it's always been a "game of infantry battles" and anything not-infantry is perhaps best viewed as an interesting bonus.

I think this:

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Makes a very likely contender for the game.

The LAAT/le

seen on screen in rebels and clone wars. Small enough to be included, and function as a transport/gunship. This is the perfect size craft for the game.

4 hours ago, lologrelol said:

It honestly just doesn't look that big.

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Agreed. The official stats would make it nearly twice that size.

1 hour ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

I think this:

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I have no idea what that is, but it's got a very messy silhouette. That would make it cost a lot of money and be very difficult to transport. Piece count drives prices up, up, up.

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Also the land direct will take up more space then that

And the republic gunship is not right the same length as an atat

2 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

I have no idea what that is, but it's got a very messy silhouette. That would make it cost a lot of money and be very difficult to transport. Piece count drives prices up, up, up.

You don't recognize it because it isn't from West End Games. 😜

This was an atmospheric troop transport featured in Star War The Clone Wars as a Republic police gunship used by the clones to patrol Coruscant near the end if the clone wars. It was later used on occupied worlds such as Lothal in Rebels to transport troops, and in some instances, even a Grand Moff. They had blasters, as well as missiles, and most importantly, could deploy a squad of Stormtroopers. All this packed into a relatively small frame.

As to the Silhouette, I don't think it will be any worse than the speeder bikes or at-rt to assemble. Even the Tx225 GAVw Combat Assault Tank, t-47, and AT-ST have numerous pieces, so I doubt it it too difficult to produce, and no more expensive than these other models I should think. Concerning transport, I would expect no more than a week past a release, there would something on Thingiverse or shapeways to transport it. As well as eventual foam cutouts. It will be no more awkward to transport than the AT-ST.

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I think the Imperial Patrol Transport is a thematic and fitting candidate for the game.

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9 hours ago, AldousSnow said:

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Thank you for this! Super useful!

I did an alternate analysis which suggests slightly more reasonable sizes for the Clone dropship and walker...

Regardless... slightly undersized once you get large is pretty reasonable. I have three popcorn buckets on my table right now and they look pretty great even though too small relative to the AT-ST...

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Double post... >.<;;

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The clone dropship size is one of the MANY irregularities in visual canon. The AT-AT is probably the worst offender (there are now official like 4 different versions trying to rectify the different sizes that have been used in different visual media).

Wookiepedia has the infantry transport version of the dropship as 28.8 meters per the canon source book Star Wars Encyclopedia of Starfighters and Other Vehicles (which I personally do not have access to).

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3 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

The clone dropship size is one of the MANY irregularities in visual canon.

Yup, cannon official stats are pretty much useless. Even visual references and analysis of the films is not sufficient since many vehicles and objects in Star Wars have illogical sizes (insides bigger than outsides, etc).

Best thing to do is 'fly casual' and 'trust your feelings' - scale stuff so it looks and feels mostly right and plays well!

If I had a working PS2, I could boot up my copies of the original battlefront games and try and compare the model size used for the LAAT with some other vehicles. That said, that game definitely rendered it about the same size as that droid gunship up there.

7 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

Yeah it's consistently been advertised as "a game of infantry battles" but people want to re-collect their favorite toys I guess.

I don't know if by infantry they mean only 'non-vehicles' this could just be their way of saying its not Armada or x-wing, which are strictly vehicles. I see infantry battles as always including the immediate support of larger units and vehicles.

7 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

I think this:

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Makes a very likely contender for the game.

The LAAT/le

seen on screen in rebels and clone wars. Small enough to be included, and function as a transport/gunship. This is the perfect size craft for the game.

I hope the Empire gets this as their flyer. Would be a cool closed transport

1 hour ago, UnitOmega said:

If I had a working PS2, I could boot up my copies of the original battlefront games and try and compare the model size used for the LAAT with some other vehicles. That said, that game definitely rendered it about the same size as that droid gunship up there.

I have the original BFII on my computer (got it from GOG.com) and the vehicles are way off in scale. The fighters and big vehicles (AT-AT and AT-TE) are generally 25-50% smaller than they should be according to what's on screen and official measurements. Not sure about the LAAT, I'd have to look at it in game again.

The official measurement for the LAAT seems too large to me in the OP's picture.