2 minutes ago, Hippie Moosen said:

I'm no expert, but wouldn't trying to kill a senator make you public enemy number 1 pretty much anywhere in the world?

Technically, he didn't try to kill a senator; he subcontracted with someone else to do it. I'm a little disappointed that the theatrical release cut out the half-hour of both sides' lawyers negotiating terms, and having a heated argument over whether failing to kill the senator counted as a breach of contract, according to the wording of clause 3276-14.1(a)!

1 hour ago, Hippie Moosen said:

To help illustrate my point, I'm gonna just outline the difference between what Boba does in Empire, and what Jango does in Attack of the Clones. Boba was a bounty hunter accepting a job from the galactic government to hunt a bounty. Jango agreed to be an assassin for a nation that was preparing to go to war with another nation, essentially picking a side in a battle between the two. He is discovered, and as his employers are surrounded and attacked, Jango makes no effort to flee, knowing full well that he's about to fight an army of soldiers just as good as he is led by space wizards with laser swords, and his only backup is crumby droids.

Seriously.

Also, we never see Boba fighting alongside the Empire's ranks. While he takes a job from them, he carries it out independently on his own. Jango Fett, on the other hand, fights alongside battle droids at Genosis. And while everyone keeps saying Jango is a "bounty hunter," it's also worth noting that he's described equally as often as a " mercenary " (see: "Jango Fett was regarded as the best mercenary in the galaxy during the final years of the Republic," with his infamous combat prowess being what made Tyranus approach him to the be the clone template). A bounty hunter can opt out of a job offer, and not taking a job or giving up on a job simply means that they won't get to collect the bounty. A mercenary, however, is deeply committed to its employer's cause and has promised to fight their fights for them until the contract expires. In that regard, they aren't terribly different from other enlisted soldiers that are collecting pay and benefits as part of the military organization. Both types of fighters still have to follow orders and carry out the will of their organization.

Hypothetically, if Boba was leaving the Executor after being pitched the bounty on Han and a massive Rebel fleet jumped out of hyperspace and started attacking Vader's fleet, Boba Fett would almost certainly just get the heck out of there--it's not his fight and he has nothing to gain by defending the Empire and risking his own life and ship. But Jango, as a mercenary and agent of the Separatists, would be expected to stay and fight in defense of his employer -- that's exactly what he's signed up to do--and that's what he does on Geonosis.

Jango the Bounty Hunter... sure he's scum. But we never see this Jango onscreen.
Jango the Mercenary... well he's Separatist. And this is the Jango we'd get in X-Wing.

Q.E.D.

32 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

And while everyone keeps saying Jango is a "bounty hunter," it's also worth noting that he's described equally as often as a " mercenary "

Really? I always saw him as just a simple man, trying to make his way in the universe.

10 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Really? I always saw him as just a  simple man, trying to make his  way in the universe  .

I hate obscure references . Their coarse, and irritating, and they get everywhere...

I think that if we see Jango it won't be a scum release. The Firespray does not need more pilots on the scum faction. If they did it, they'd probably do it as a seperatist expansion. The Seperatists did have a big habbit of utilising Bounty Hunters a lot more than the Empire has in the movies and TV show. ****, one of the Clone Wars episode had Cad Bane literally giving orders to battle droids while sitting in the captains chair of a Sepratist battleship...

I get that he would fit more in scum but it would seem to make more sense to provide variety by giving the Sepies a chance to field him, especially since the faction will be lacking in true unique pilot if what we've seen so far is to be believed.

Again, I know it makes sense to have him in Scum, but the point is to provide seperatists with ships not scum with more pilots. We've seen people turn up in strange factions before. Rebel characters in Scum and vice versa. I don't think it's beyond comprehension. That is of course IF they decide to do Jango's Slave I.

10 hours ago, mazz0 said:

Young Han is Scum because what the heck else could he be? I don't think that's my evidence for lore not mattering.

Its got nothing to do with your particular interpretation; the necessity for the CIS to get ships and fill out the faction trumps the fluff.

Han is associated with the Rebels for the most part, but FFG made a Scum character and ship with different stats and dial etc. for that snippet of his life.

Jango is much the same; he might of been a Scum character for most of his life, but for the Clone Wars and the years prior he was heavily affiliated with the CIS. Han sets a precedent for Jango having a snippet of his life being represented in the game.

Furthermore they won't offer Jango as a Scum pilot as that would mean they'd have to re-release a mechanically identical Firespray within the faction which nobody would be happy with. If Jango is a part of a different faction in the CIS, they have grounds to release a new Firespray with different stats and dial etc. to better represent the Slave 1 whilst Jango was behind the stick.

On 2/20/2019 at 9:22 AM, JJ48 said:

I don't doubt we'll get Jango's Slave I, I just doubt it'll be anything but Scum. Make it a repaint in a Squadron pack with some new pilots (and maybe new upgrades) and there you have it.

Who knows what FFG will do, other than release large amounts of plastic crack for us to buy. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

On 2/21/2019 at 2:52 PM, Max Teranous said:

Oh bloody **** it doesn't matter what lore reasons you twist yourself into a hernia over, for FFG's sales a 2nd Firespray in Scum makes bugger all sense, a Firespray in Separatists makes loads of sense. End of.

Yes, because FFG have never and will never sell repaint with new cards in the same faction...

23 hours ago, impspy said:

TCW Bounty Hunters (if they appear) will probably be CIS if for no other reason than Scum has enough ships and FFG most likely wants to flesh out the factions. It's not like the Empire is short ships.

But does it have enough Clone Wars era ships? People like me will want to be able to fly Clone Wars scum against the Republic and Seperatists.

I totally agree that Jango's contractual arrangement was more long term than Boba's and that a case can be made that that makes him officially aligned with the Seperatists (though I disagree - official alignment is basically the difference between a mercenary and a soldier).

However, here's another reason he'll be scum - the other CW Slave 1 pilots and crew that would naturally come with it. Are Little Boba and his gang going to be Seperatists?

Could the changes Boba had made to Jango's ship be enough for the original to be different in any way?

I could see myself flying Slave 1 as separatist if I could run it alongside the likes if Ventress's ship, but otherwise I'd rather it be Scum. I'm sure I'll get it either way, but might regret not picking up Grievous pack for filler Sep ships as I do like his ship.

33 minutes ago, mazz0 said:

Yes, because FFG have never and will never sell repaint with new cards in the same faction...

Before they didn't have the option between adding to an already well established faction, and adding to a new faction that needs fleshing out.

4 hours ago, mazz0 said:

But does it have enough Clone Wars era ships? People like me will want to be able to fly Clone Wars scum against the Republic and Seper  atists.

At that point I think you're being a bit greedy. Let Sepies have a Firespray and the characters that fought with them in the Clone Wars, scum do not need more love whereas Republic and the CIS will need all the love they can get.

Remember...scum was in that spot as well once. Hypothetically speaking what if FFG and Imp players said "Nah...no Firespray for Scum because Boba worked for imps" when it makes the most sense to give scum another ship that was used by bounty hunters and mercenaries?

The decision is not a slight against Scum, it's to boost Sepies and give them access to another awesome ship.

15 hours ago, Ebak said:

Let Sepies have a Firespray and the characters that fought with them in the Clone Wars

Who though? The only one who worked for the Seppies was Jango, I can't think of anyone else who could come with a Seppie Firepspray.

This has got me thinking - hypothetically which faction would Kamino be in? Officially working for the Republic, producing Republic troops, but actually doing so on behalf of Dooku. Come to think of it, Jango was oringally working for the Republic too, helping build its army, even though he was hired by Dooku. Hmm.

2 hours ago, mazz0 said:

Who though? The only one who worked for the Seppies was Jango, I can't think of anyone else who could come with a Seppie Firepspray.

This has got me thinking - hypothetically which faction would Kamino be in? Officially working for the Republic, producing Republic troops, but actually doing so on behalf of Dooku. Come to think of it, Jango was oringally working for the Republic too, helping build its army, even though he was hired by Dooku. Hmm.

Kamino and the clones continued to serve the republic and resisted seperatist control so I’d say Republic.

overall the entire thing is all part of Palpatines grand plan.

as for who else:

Seperatist Firespray expansion

I6 - Jango

I4 - Aurra Sing

I3 - Boba Fett

I1 - Speratist agent

upgrades: Boba Fett, Jango Fett, Aurra Sing, Hondo Onahka (not faction specific)

While Aurra Sing was not employed by the Seps she most definitely opposed the Republic, and based on that and the criteria of needing pilots and upgrade cards for a faction lacking in those areas... I think it is acceptable to have her as CIS and not Scum. Hondo being included is a vanity thing. He definitely wouldn’t have a faction restriction.

I think we all get hung up on who belongs where. Sure, there are some clear cut choices, you are not going to see Luke in Imperial and so on. The truth is you can wrangle whatever justification for adding a character to a faction, but in the end it all comes down to who needs them.

i mean, Dash is a smuggler, so shouldn’t he be in scum? Sure! Do scum need dash or another ship? Not really. Sure, the Empire hires Boba Fett, but do they need him? No, empire have plenty of ships and options already. As I’ve mentioned before...Scum already have a lot of options and don’t require more Firespray pilots and/or crew upgrades. I do agree that from a lore perspective they belong in scum, but from a gameplay perspective they would be more useful in th CIS and it can easily be justified why they are in Sepies. It’s not like we are trying to Justify Mon Mothma being added to The First Order here or a Scum Admiral Ackbar.

2 hours ago, mazz0 said:

which  faction would Kamino be in?

They have representation in the Republic senate and are getting paid by the Republic. Dooku’s got some shady stuff going on—I don’t recall how many Kaminoans are in on that whole deal?—but at face value they’re on the side of the Republic.

Well, I will bet any of you a fiver that Jango comes out for Scum.

42 minutes ago, mazz0 said:

Well, I will bet any of you a fiver that Jango comes out for Scum.

I'll take that bet!

2 hours ago, PanchoX1 said:

I'll take that bet!

🤝

On 2/21/2019 at 2:32 AM, mazz0 said:

I don't see any chance of it being separatist, not since Boba was removed from Empire. I do, however, think it's extremely likely we'll get a Jango's Slave 1 for Scum, with pilots and crew from TCW. No idea about the difference between it and Boba's version though. We don't see it in combat much in TCW do we? We see it shooting Obi-Wan in Attack of the Clones, where it looks nimble and to have a powerful cannon, which sounds a lot like the Slave 1 we already have.

I dont think FFG are more concerned with Lore than Balance/Sales. As has been said, this is the easy way to sell a repaint and more cards. I would like to wager that he is a Seperatist, they will throw in kid Boba because of Clone wars and they will have a pre made medium base ship already to go.

Balance does not mean being identical. Even if they can't think of another medium base ship so what? Why does the faction have to have one?

You are right of course. Although I do want to posit this question: Why are you seemingly so against Firespray, with Jango as a pilot, as a separatist ship?

5 hours ago, Ebak said:

You are right of course. Although I do want to posit this question: Why are you seemingly so against Firespray, with Jango as a pilot, as a separatist ship?

I'm not at all against it. I'm not against Boba for Empire either. I just don't think it will happen. What I'd really like is the option to include Scum pilots in other factions' lists like in Imperial Assault, but I'm not holding out much hope. Also, I'm very much *for* Jango in Scum, which is good cos I think that's very likely.

On 2/25/2019 at 1:31 AM, mazz0 said:

Balance does not mean being identical. Even if they can't think of another medium base ship so what? Why does the faction have to have one?

Who said anything about being Identical? They said that the only thing that was original on Slave 1 after Boba got his hands on was the chair. They can make Seperatist Firespray what ever they want. There are 3 Millennium Falcon Titles, each a bit different from the other, pretty sure they can do that with Slave 1 too.

On 2/21/2019 at 6:48 PM, Cgriffith said:

The case for Jango Fett in the Separists or/ CIS faction is simple. On Obi-Wan Kenobi pilot card you can see the depiction of the scene from Attack of the Clones where after Jango figures out Obi-Wan was following him he hides and tries to eliminate the Jedi Master to no avail. At this time he is working for Darth Tyrannus and Count Dooku both of whom were aligned with the Confederation of Independent Systems (Dooku being the one controlling the Viceroy for Tryannus/Sideous)

(...)

This type of foreshadowing has already occurred in second edition (see the N-1 card art) and numerous times in first edition.

(...)

Slight counterpoint though, not every foreshadowing in 1st edition was actually realised:

OGP shows unidentifieds.

Predator shows unidentified Huge ships.

Old Teroch pilot had an unidentified in the background.

[Edit]The non Corran E wing Ace (now Gavin Darklighter) shows identified ships, which never came [/Edit]

Lightning Reflexes shows the real Vaksai, which never came.

Viktor Hel pilot shows LAAT/Ie gunships, which never came.

So, Jango in the background of Obi Wan Kenobi could also be for purely atmosphere and artistic expression.