OKAY. I have not even looked at FFG boards, much less posted, in at least a year. So work with me here, if I'm not up to date on every thread.

WHERE are the rebel snowtroopers? FFG has done a very diligent job of making sure every minis set has a counterbalance. Here we have a whole combat zone: imperial Snowtroopers, AT-ST, E-Web, Vader, Veers... and to oppose, T-47, Atgar P-tower, annnnd… that's it. WHERE is the most basic building block of the Rebels, the squad? Its not even on the radar, as far as I can see.

Have there been announcements? Explanations? To me, this is the just plain weirdest move (or lack thereof) in the entire product line.

I don't get it either why its mainly Imperial on Hoth and mainly Rebel on Endor; though from a game design point of view it would be nice to be equal yet shouldn't be which is why it isn't would be my guess.

From what I heard expansions will be sourced from all over the place, movies to animated tv shows, obviously Sabine Wren isn't from episode 1-current of the movies. However, the rebel Hoth trooper were rebel troopers just in cold weather uniform so it would be the same except should have extreme conditions upgrade card, so that may never happen since it be the same just different clothing. I thought a viper probe droid would of been out, perhaps another time. 😕

I hope they are making units solely based on army play style and strategies while giving each each side its own difference. Keep in mind rebels typically have defensive abilities and imperial has offensive.. Rebels- take cover, nimble, etc Imperials- spotter, precise, etc.

Regardless how it actually is designed, I like the way this game is shaping up with each new expansion bringing another twist changing army builds while creating new strategies.

With the right painting and basing, anything is Hoth

lol Nice job

On 2/17/2019 at 5:56 PM, IG-58 said:

WHERE are the rebel snowtroopers? FFG has done a very diligent job of making sure every minis set has a counterbalance. Here we have a whole combat zone: imperial Snowtroopers, AT-ST, E-Web, Vader, Veers... and to oppose, T-47, Atgar P-tower, annnnd… that's it. WHERE is the most basic building block of the Rebels, the squad? Its not even on the radar, as far as I can see.

And an operative and special forces in the form of Chewbacca and the Wookies. Every. Single. Slot. Except the two required ones. The models feel so random that I suspect it's a bunch of behind the scenes nonsense dictating releases. Stuff that's beyond FFG's control likely.

Or they are staggering the aesthetics for marketing reasons.

On 2/17/2019 at 7:24 PM, MasterShake2 said:

With the right painting and basing, anything is Hoth

No it's not. I went that route too. Now I'm selling them off cause a white Endor uniform is just not the same.

I’m guessing they will be the third corps unit for Rebels, with the Imps getting their navy troops to mimic the fleets? Or maybe Imps will get shoretroopers.

On 2/17/2019 at 7:16 PM, Tokous said:

However, the rebel Hoth trooper were rebel troopers just in cold weather uniform

So were snowtroopers until the first SW roleplaying game came out in 1987. Before then, we just called them "Hoth Stormtroopers". The original Kenner figure was called Imperial Stormtrooper (Hoth Battle Gear).

In that game of 1987, and all the other SW tabletop games since, rebel Hoth troops have also had different stats than other rebels. Including Imperial Assault by FFG.

On 2/17/2019 at 7:16 PM, Tokous said:

I hope they are making units solely based on army play style and strategies while giving each each side its own difference.

It's one fun aspect of a miniature wagame but if it's allowed to dominate the product line, it's a bad thing. Forcing things to fit one narrow interpretation of how this faction or that "should" be played is a huge part of what killed Warhammer Fantasy Battles. Using our own imagination is a huge part of why we play.

1 minute ago, ScummyRebel said:

I’m guessing they will be the third corps unit for Rebels, with the Imps getting their navy troops to mimic the fleets? Or maybe Imps will get shoretroopers.

I would think Navy for corps. The shoretroopers to me seemed more like biker scouts and stuff, not that numerous.

Oh, I definitely think we'll see them down the road a bit -- and the same with the Imperial Naval Troopers. We've already seen what they can do with the 1.4 FD Laser Cannon Team (which I would call Rebel Hoth gear), so we know they can do it. And the Naval Trooper design was put to good use as the Imperial comms specialist. We know that FFG can make them look pretty darn good. Let's hope we'll see both of these units out real soon.

3 minutes ago, jeditemple said:

Oh, I definitely think we'll see them down the road a bit -- and the same with the Imperial Naval Troopers. We've already seen what they can do with the 1.4 FD Laser Cannon Team (which I would call Rebel Hoth gear), so we know they can do it. And the Naval Trooper design was put to good use as the Imperial comms specialist. We know that FFG can make them look pretty darn good. Let's hope we'll see both of these units out real soon.

That's my reading of the tea leaves too. If they were never going to make them they would have put the usual Endor guys as the Atgar crew, and if they had something against the imperial navy crew they wouldn't have made the comms specialist look like that. Then again we never got naval crew for IA where they would have fit perfectly.

I think "soon" is very unlikely. A year or so, given how far out the current announcements go. Unless my impression of the announcements is distorted.

I predict they'll be announced just before clone wars

7 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

I predict they'll be announced just before clone wars

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too.

19 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

I predict they'll be announced just before clone wars

Which is when?

4 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Which is when?

End of March at AdeptiCon is the usual guess, with the actual release being in August. Assuming the monthly releases keep up, there's nothing in the July slot (yet).

I expect the announce will be before, but since FFG is in a multi-year partnership with Gencon, I expect "early release" of Clone Wars kits by then as a big promo push.

28 minutes ago, Alpha17 said:

End of March at AdeptiCon is the usual guess, with the actual release being in August. Assuming the monthly releases keep up, there's nothing in the July slot (yet).

People seriously think Clone Wars details are coming next month? Cause I don't think there's time to announce Hoth rebels BEFORE CW in that case. Maybe announce them before an August release I guess.

I'm wagering Clone Wars will be announced at GenCon with a planned holiday season release in November-December

(at least I hope so... my wallet cant withstand firepower of this magnitude)

1 minute ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

I'm wagering Clone Wars will be announced at GenCon with a planned holiday season release in November-December

(at least I hope so... my wallet cant withstand firepower of this magnitude)

Dunno. I guess since this is the second year I would almost assume an identical release lineup to the first year: 1 corps, 1 heavy, etc.

Lack of corps choices is definitely what's cooled my interest in Legion. Since they're compulsory, there's nothing wrong with a new sculpt with old stats. In fact I'm halfway surprised that wasn't how they got you to buy expansions. Core sets are such a good value that I will never buy rebel troopers, stormtroopers, speeder bikes, or AT-RT's. Now if the core set had 2x Endor Troopers, and a box of Hoth Troopers was $24.95, they'd have got me! Kinda like the alternate Stormtrooper squad for Imperial Assault.

1 minute ago, TauntaunScout said:

Dunno. I guess since this is the second year I would almost assume an identical release lineup to the first year: 1 corps, 1 heavy, etc.

Lack of corps choices is definitely what's cooled my interest in Legion. Since they're compulsory, there's nothing wrong with a new sculpt with old stats. In fact I'm halfway surprised that wasn't how they got you to buy expansions. Core sets are such a good value that I will never buy rebel troopers, stormtroopers, speeder bikes, or AT-RT's. Now if the core set had 2x Endor Troopers, and a box of Hoth Troopers was $24.95, they'd have got me! Kinda like the alternate Stormtrooper squad for Imperial Assault.

Yeah, even the same uniforms with different poses would have gotten me

5 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

Yeah, even the same uniforms with different poses would have gotten me

I mean I'm the guy who bought 6x snowtroopers, 3x ewebs, and 2x AT-ST's. I can't be the only one who would build a whole army from nothing but expansions. If only they'd sell more of the required units!

Core sets ARE a great value... but you do still get a different AT-RT and speeder biker sculpt (albeit marginally).

15 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

People seriously think Clone Wars details are coming next month? Cause I don't think there's time to announce Hoth rebels BEFORE CW in that case. Maybe announce them before an August release I guess.

Why not? February already has had two expansion announcements (Sabine/Bossk, and the AT-ST Down piece). If they announced the two new Corps units in the first week or so of March, and saved the Clone Wars for the end of the month, it would fit. The only issue I see is that that means few if any new expansion announcements being made this summer, but that actually might help the Clone Wars release as they could focus articles on that.

15 hours ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

I'm wagering Clone Wars will be announced at GenCon with a planned holiday season release in November-December

(at least I hope so... my wallet cant withstand firepower of this magnitude)

While possible, I don't know why they would wait that long. They announced that they were doing Clone Wars last August, so waiting until this August to give details on what was announced a year before seems a bit long, especially if the actual release isn't for another 2-3 months. August also happens to be the 10 year anniversary of the Clone Wars film's release, and that's when the revived show is expected to be released.

This is all conjecture and could be 100% nonsense, but it would make sense.

And my wallet can't withstand firepower of this magnitude either; that's why we have to move the release date closer and engage the Clone Wars starter at point blank range.

6 hours ago, Alpha17 said:

Why not? February already has had two expansion announcements (Sabine/Bossk, and the AT-ST Down piece). If they announced the two new Corps units in the first week or so of March, and saved the Clone Wars for the end of the month, it would fit. The only issue I see is that that means few if any new expansion announcements being made this summer, but that actually might help the Clone Wars release as they could focus articles on that.

They'll probably send us Jaxxon and Duloks or something instead.

On 2/20/2019 at 5:58 AM, Alpha17 said:

While possible, I don't know why they would wait that long. They announced that they were doing Clone Wars last August, so waiting until this August to give details on what was announced a year before seems a bit long, especially if the actual release isn't for another 2-3 months. August also happens to be the 10 year anniversary of the Clone Wars film's release, and that's when the revived show is expected to be released.

What we got was a tease about what was being designed, not a formal unveiling with product pictures and card images. I think a formal announcement at GenCon makes an equal amount of sense on the anniversary month.

Asmodee knows that the Clone Wars starter (or army boxes or however they implement new factions) is going to trigger a big ol' buying frenzy and I'm wagering that they will try to line that up with the holiday season for maximum hype.

3 hours ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

What we got was a tease about what was being designed, not a formal unveiling with product pictures and card images. I think a formal announcement at GenCon makes an equal amount of sense on the anniversary month.

Asmodee knows that the Clone Wars starter (or army boxes or however they implement new factions) is going to trigger a big ol' buying frenzy and I'm wagering that they will try to line that up with the holiday season for maximum hype.

Possible, though I doubt it. Has FFG ever tried to cash in on the holiday season before? Though they've frequently done Nov/Dec releases, I don't recall any major pushes by them, though I may have missed something. The only tie-ins I recall them doing before have been with X-Wing, and those usually were timed so the release fell around the same time as the movies they were from. By December, the major focus of Star Wars fans (even those that hate the sequels, myself included) will likely be Ep. IX, not the Clone Wars revival.

Another factor that makes me think the reveal will be done before GenCon is that they've been pushing Legion articles hard recently, with the two mentioned in my last post (Sabine/Bossk on 2/6, and the AT-ST Down 2/11), as well as the preceding Occupier and Landspeeder on 1/14. There really wouldn't be a need to push three months worth of expansion announcements within a month unless they are trying to clear their announcement/release schedule prior to the Clone Wars announcement.

There's a good chance I'm reading way too much into this, and FFG might not have as well coordinated of a plan as I'm making it out to be, but there are enough coincidences to make this schedule sound plausible.

15 minutes ago, Alpha17 said:

Possible, though I doubt it. Has FFG ever tried to cash in on the holiday season before? Though they've frequently done Nov/Dec releases, I don't recall any major pushes by them, though I may have missed something. The only tie-ins I recall them doing before have been with X-Wing, and those usually were timed so the release fell around the same time as the movies they were from. By December, the major focus of Star Wars fans (even those that hate the sequels, myself included) will likely be Ep. IX, not the Clone Wars revival.

Another factor that makes me think the reveal will be done before GenCon is that they've been pushing Legion articles hard recently, with the two mentioned in my last post (Sabine/Bossk on 2/6, and the AT-ST Down 2/11), as well as the preceding Occupier and Landspeeder on 1/14. There really wouldn't be a need to push three months worth of expansion announcements within a month unless they are trying to clear their announcement/release schedule prior to the Clone Wars announcement.

There's a good chance I'm reading way too much into this, and FFG might not have as well coordinated of a plan as I'm making it out to be, but there are enough coincidences to make this schedule sound plausible.

Let us make a gentleman's wager then!