Nurgle's Pestilence and Shrine to Nurgle COMBO

By Tumidus, in Warhammer Invasion Rules Questions

Suppose that i have Shrine to Nurgle already im play and then i play Nurgle's Pestilence. Does all the opponent's units became corrupted or the inflicted damage counted as non combat damage and so the Shrine to Nurgle not affect them ?

Hi!

As stated by the FAQ, this combo doesn't work anymore...'Cause you've to deal "combat damage" to the oppo's units to make StN trigger. :)

As has been said the card as written would combo together since StN says damage during combat. The FAQ has officially changed the card text with errata to "combat damage" so nothing but combat damage triggers it now.

"Combat" as defined by the rules is anytime in the one of the five phases once you enter the battlefield phase.

The only part of the combat phase that we're worried about here is the first one.

1. Declare target of attack.

The Active player first decides which of his oppenent's three zones (kingdom, quest, or battlefield) he is attacking. After the target zone has been declared, both players have the opportunity to take actions (including playing tactic cards). Once both players have pass consecutively, play proceeds to the next step.

As you can see, this phase doesn't even require you to have units in play to be in combat. Once you enter the battlefield phase, you're instantly in combat as there is no other phase before 1 here. Any card that can damage an opposing unit during this phase will corrupt it via shrine to nurgle.

Shrine to Nurgle (by FAQ) triggers with "combat damage", that's totally different from "damage during combat", anyway. :)

Actually, you are required to have a unit that could actually attack (even if it doesn't) to initiate combat. That ruling came down a long time ago, before the FAQ errata'd/nerfed the Shrine.

Clamatius said:

Actually, you are required to have a unit that could actually attack (even if it doesn't) to initiate combat. That ruling came down a long time ago, before the FAQ errata'd/nerfed the Shrine.

Ed-Zero said:

I haven't seen it.. so unless you can post it, it doesn't really matter. Cause it's definitely not in the FAQ.

You can download the FAQ at: http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/warhammer_lcg/support/wh-faq-v1.pdf

Under "Card Clarification and Errata" on page 4, 2nd column about half way down the page. It reads:

"CS 98 Shrine to Nurgle
Should read: “Kingdom. Forced: When
an opponent’s unit is dealt combat
damage, corrupt that unit.”

Combat damage is further defined later in the FAQ. Let me know if this doesn't help.

Toberk said:

Ed-Zero said:

I haven't seen it.. so unless you can post it, it doesn't really matter. Cause it's definitely not in the FAQ.

You can download the FAQ at: http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/warhammer_lcg/support/wh-faq-v1.pdf

Under "Card Clarification and Errata" on page 4, 2nd column about half way down the page. It reads:

"CS 98 Shrine to Nurgle
Should read: “Kingdom. Forced: When
an opponent’s unit is dealt combat
damage, corrupt that unit.”

Combat damage is further defined later in the FAQ. Let me know if this doesn't help.

Their attempt to define combat damage in the FAQ under the heading Dealing Damage in Combat on pg 3 talks exclusively about units that are contributing damage to the damage pool. While I think that their definition could have been a little clearer, after re-reading the FAQ I think I have to agree that their intent was to define Combat Damage as being damage dealt between units during the battlefield phase.

Additionally (and I just noticed this) Nurgle's Pestilence is the specific example they chose when defining Non Combat Damage.

Ed-Zero said:

Clamatius said:

Actually, you are required to have a unit that could actually attack (even if it doesn't) to initiate combat. That ruling came down a long time ago, before the FAQ errata'd/nerfed the Shrine.

I haven't seen it.. so unless you can post it, it doesn't really matter. Cause it's definitely not in the FAQ.

Maybe you don't want to see it because your broken ruling wouldn't be allowed anymore? Page 7 if you look under "damage during combat":


Dealing Damage in Combat:
A unit is considered to deal damage in
combat as long as it has contributed
at least one damage to the pool of
damage that will be assigned to the
opponent during combat, and at least
one damage is applied to an opponent’s
unit or capital during the Apply
Damage step.

Yes. Grille is right.

AND I'd add that this discussion is somewhere in this board, cause it has been already discussed and solved.

COMBAT DAMAGE is dealt BY UNITS. I think it's pretty clear. It isn't clear if you don't read the FAQ, where they adjust everything about this and give the errata to Shrine To Nurgle.

Then, Nurgle's Pestilence is a clear example of NON Combat damage.

So...If "Shrine" triggers with COMBAT DAMAGE and "Pestilence" is NOT combat damage (and, by deduction, all other sources of damage outside Units), the problem is not even exsisting anymore. :)