1 minute ago, Frimmel said:

All of that was prizes which is a little different than alternate paint ships available for purchase.

I'm not sure I see the difference.

1 minute ago, JJ48 said:

I'm not sure I see the difference.

Something that is only a prize is in fact rare and a rare achievement needed to be accomplished to get it. Alternate art available for purchase at one event is a manufactured exclusivity not tied to accomplishment.

This alt-art ship for purchase is much more cynical and mercenary. It is one thing to be not good enough to win something. It is quite a different thing not to be good enough to buy something. It is subtle distinction to be sure.

Maybe a better way to describe it is that there is an air of pettiness about this. Pettiness in the creation. Undoubtedly pettiness in the distribution since it seems likely even those who've never played a game of X-wing will be able to get them. There won't be enough of course. They "have" to sell out to maintain the veneer of exclusivity. I feel petty being put out by it even a little. We have petty bickering over the thing here on the boards.

31 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

I'm not sure I see the difference.

I am not sure why it is so difficult to see the difference.

I am a collector of the game, solely for the beautiful, painted minis. I have spent more than $4,000 on this game, and have been around since day 1.

I have never played a game of X-Wing. Given that, I have also never been to any form of competitive setting such as store championships, regionals, worlds, etc.

One of the things that has separated FFG from other producers and suppliers of games, is that they have always made any of their expansions available to all, and with none of them being a random crap shoot as to what you get.

That is no longer the case. This is really not that difficult to understand.

From a personal standpoint, the con exclusive paint job in concept doesn't bother me. I'll be at Adepticon, and if there are enough for me to pick one up at my leisure then I probably will cause I'm not waiting in some insane line for it. If I don't get one, I'll see them from time to time across the table and think "neat".

However, I don't fully understand whether or not con exclusive items actually have good ROI for the manufacturer. They don't see a dime of that sweet, sweet scalper money. It is a pretty standard industry practice though so there has to be a good economic reason, because it likely causes a split like this in every community.

This thread reminds me why the Kickstarter model is so successful to sell games. Some people just feel the need to have everything, no matter if it is actually useful or not. Just put the word exclusive or limited and people will feel the need to get it. Gotta catch them all!

4 hours ago, any2cards said:

One of the things that has separated FFG from other producers and suppliers of games, is that they have always made any of their expansions available to all, and with none of them being a random crap shoot as to what you get.

That is no longer the case. This is really not that difficult to understand.

It is still the case, though. The expansion is still available to everyone, just with a slightly different model. And it's not a "random crap shoot" when you can know exactly which model you're getting, and how to get the other model if you wish (either go to the event or pay more to buy it from scalpers).

I don't see this as any different from the other alts FFG has done, because in the end, it's a game component that looks slightly flashier than the original game component, which is functionally identical. You arbitrarily select the models to be the component you collect, but someone could just as easily arbitrarily choose to collect tokens and bemoan the fact that they will never acquire some variations without going to events.

4 hours ago, any2cards said:

One of the things that has separated FFG from other producers and suppliers of games, is that they have always made any of their expansions available to all, and with none of them being a random crap shoot as to what you get.

That is no longer the case. This is really not that difficult to understand.

Still not random, tho. What you see in the package is what you get.

37 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

It is still the case, though. The expansion is still available to everyone, just with a slightly different model. And it's not a "random crap shoot" when you can know exactly which model you're getting, and how to get the other model if you wish (either go to the event or pay more to buy it from scalpers).

I don't see this as any different from the other alts FFG has done, because in the end, it's a game component that looks slightly flashier than the original game component, which is functionally identical. You arbitrarily select the models to be the component you collect, but someone could just as easily arbitrarily choose to collect tokens and bemoan the fact that they will never acquire some variations without going to events.

The difference is, with regards to other alts (dice, templates, tokens, pilot/upgrade cards) those are used as official prize support throughout the year for all who participate in OP events from as low as league events to the world championships. In this case a model is being exclusively released at an event for purchase in which not all the player base will be available to attend and thus not being able to aquire like the normal means of doing so fo ALL OTHER FFG ALT (in regards to exclusivity) material.

In this regard without releasing this to the mass base through FFG Website, they are literally excluding 85% of the player base that may also want to purchase a model. Those models picked up at will see secondary sales because of the alternate paint scheme. Not really fair to those not able to acquire a model by attending. This creating a major secondary market cash grab. Completely unfair to those not able to attend the event. There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

56 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

It is still the case, though. The expansion is still available to everyone, just with a slightly different model. And it's not a "random crap shoot" when you can know exactly which model you're getting, and how to get the other model if you wish (either go to the event or pay more to buy it from scalpers).

I don't see this as any different from the other alts FFG has done, because in the end, it's a game component that looks slightly flashier than the original game component, which is functionally identical. You arbitrarily select the models to be the component you collect, but someone could just as easily arbitrarily choose to collect tokens and bemoan the fact that they will never acquire some variations without going to events.

I’ll agree with these sentiments exactly, I love promo items, yet never got the acrylic critical tokens from 1.0 because I didn’t go to the event where they were available and refused to pay secondary prices for them.

AS LONG AS THE ITEMS DON’T EFFECT GAMEPLAY, AND ARE JUST DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE SAME COMPONENTS I ALREADY HAVE, I REALLY DINT SEE THE GRIEF.

Hopefully they won’t don’t do a paint scheme I can’t live without.

5 hours ago, Frimmel said:

Ma ybe a better way to describe it is that there is an air of pettiness about this.

The more vocal reactions to the article certainly have been petty, I'll agree with that much.

5 hours ago, any2cards said:

I am not sure why it is so difficult to see the difference.

I am a collector of the game, solely for the beautiful, painted minis. I have spent more than $4,000 on this game, and have been around since day 1.

I have never played a game of X-Wing. Given that, I have also never been to any form of competitive setting such as store championships, regionals, worlds, etc.

So, essentially you're criticising FFG for not pandering to your OCD. It that about the size of it?

The Adepticon repaint is a nice bonus for those players who do play X-Wing competitively, who do take the time, effort and expenditure to travel to these events, who buy the tickets and who stand in line to meet the team.

1 hour ago, Cgriffith said:

The difference is, with regards to other alts (dice, templates, tokens, pilot/upgrade cards) those are used as official prize support throughout the year for all who participate in OP events from as low as league events to the world championships. In this case a model is being exclusively released at an event for purchase in which not all the player base will be available to attend and thus not being able to aquire like the normal means of doing so fo ALL OTHER FFG ALT (in regards to exclusivity) material.

In this regard without releasing this to the mass base through FFG Website, they are literally excluding 85% of the player base that may also want to purchase a model. Those models picked up at will see secondary sales because of the alternate paint scheme. Not really fair to those not able to acquire a model by attending. This creating a major secondary market cash grab. Completely unfair to those not able to attend the event. There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

How is it different from an alt art offered as the participation prize for, say, World Championship?

in both case, if you can’t go to the event/con, you’ll miss out on the alt art/alt paint.

1 hour ago, Cgriffith said:

The difference is, with regards to other alts (dice, templates, tokens, pilot/upgrade cards) those are used as official prize support throughout the year for all who participate in OP events from as low as league events to the world championships. In this case a model is being exclusively released at an event for purchase in which not all the player base will be available to attend and thus not being able to aquire like the normal means of doing so fo ALL OTHER FFG ALT (in regards to exclusivity) material. 

I've never been able to attend worlds or Nationals. I've never had access to the alt arts given out to participants or those that have done well in there games. How is this different? and for this, you don't even have to play well, you can just go to the booth and get one. that sounds like it's much more accessible than other swag.

1 hour ago, Cgriffith said:

In this regard without releasing this to the mass base through FFG Website, they are literally excluding 85% of the player base that may also want to purchase a model

what's the percentage of players that didn't have access to top 8 templates from worlds? probably more that 85% How is this different?

1 hour ago, Cgriffith said:

This creating a major secondary market cash grab. Completely unfair to those not able to attend the event. There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

how much to regional dice go for on the secondary market? or official templates? quite a bit. is that unfair to those who couldn't attend or win them? How is this any different? It's different because you can buy it without playing well. it's more accessible. but for some reason, this upsets people when nothing else has before. Odd.

19 minutes ago, PanchoX1 said:

I've never been able to attend worlds or Nationals. I've never had access to the alt arts given out to participants or those that have done well in there games. How is this different? and for this, you don't even have to play well, you can just go to the booth and get one. that sounds like it's much more accessible than other swag.

It"s not really any more than an optional participation prize. Emphasis on "participation" - you got to be in it to win it, as they say. Just like you can get an alt art damage deck for attending a System Open.

This probably most closely resembles the optional System Open play mat. Pay a little extra, get to take home a keepsake of the event.

They're cool, they're nice to have, they're a talking point, but it's hardly the end of days if you don't get one. Talk about your proverbial first world problems.

18 hours ago, any2cards said:

I have never played a game of X-Wing.

Whoa. How are even allowed to post here??

13 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

The Adepticon repaint is a nice bonus for those players who do play X-Wing competitively, who do take the time, effort and expenditure to travel to these events, who buy the tickets and who stand in line to meet the team.

One thing I didn't realize at the beginning of all this is that Adepticon is actually in Chicago. And it opens on my day off.

So, all I need to do is buy a pass, jump on the Blue Line, and buy as many of these sweet little ships as FFG will let me.

Since you don't seem to care, along with most of the community, I know you guys will be happy that these repaints will find a home where they are truly loved. Even if you don't get one on Friday.

5 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Whoa. How are even allowed to post here??

Sometimes I wonder that myself ... 😝

I suspect I am older than most on these forums (I will be 78 in July). This longevity often comes with issues ... health issues ... the most minor of which results in severe shaking of my right hand and arm. I shudder to think about having to move small minis accurately.

I am an active gamer, but typically more about board games like D1e, D2de, MOM2e, Gloomhaven, etc. that allows me to interact and socialize with many people at once.

I love all things Star Wars, and the minis were really nice, so I started collecting. I don't regret it for a moment. And even though I don't actively play the game, I am fascinated by many of the discussions within these forums, especially those that focus on strategy, etc. Even those that involve "the sky is falling moments" can bring a smile to my face and a deep laugh from the diaphragm.

Those are things that can make the day better, and me feel better. Thus, I hang out in the X-Wing Forum.

5 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Since you don't seem to care, along with most of the community, I know you guys will be happy that these repaints will find a home where they are truly loved. Even if you don't get one on Friday.

Do it! Hopefully FFG limits to 1 per person, but if they don't they will after you buy em out

25 minutes ago, any2cards said:

Sometimes I wonder that myself ... 😝

I suspect I am older than most on these forums (I will be 78 in July). This longevity often comes with issues ... health issues ... the most minor of which results in severe shaking of my right hand and arm. I shudder to think about having to move small minis accurately.

I am an active gamer, but typically more about board games like D1e, D2de, MOM2e, Gloomhaven, etc. that allows me to interact and socialize with many people at once.

I love all things Star Wars, and the minis were really nice, so I started collecting. I don't regret it for a moment. And even though I don't actively play the game, I am fascinated by many of the discussions within these forums, especially those that focus on strategy, etc. Even those that involve "the sky is falling moments" can bring a smile to my face and a deep laugh from the diaphragm.

Those are things that can make the day better, and me feel better. Thus, I hang out in the X-Wing Forum.

If you ever decide that you aren't going to come back to the forums, at least leave a long post calling people out (even if that includes me!) because that would bring a smile to my face and a deep laugh from the diaphragm.

7 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Since you don't seem to care, along with most of the community, I know you guys will be happy that these repaints will find a home where they are truly loved. Even if you don't get one on Friday.

Your money, your effort. Go for it.

@Darth Meanie , I hope you go and are able to get a few of them at least! I would if I could.

8 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Whoa. How are even allowed to post here??

One thing I didn't realize at the beginning of all this is that Adepticon is actually in Chicago. And it opens on my day off.

So, all I need to do is buy a pass, jump on the Blue Line, and buy as many of these sweet little ships as FFG will let me.

Since you don't seem to care, along with most of the communit  y  , I know you guys will be happy that these repaints will find a home where they are truly loved. Even if you don't get one on Friday. 

Dude! My friend and I are gonna book it to the FFG table Thursday morning. It'd be neat to run into you

And yeah I'm trying to keep my expectations in check, so I'm ready to pay like $30 and only be able to get one, but I'll definitely get a couple if I can, and somebody said stuff like this is usually MSRP, so. I'm hopeful 😜

Look at all the hype this special edition paintjob has created!

Good move, FFG.

9 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

O ne thing I didn't realize at the beginning of all this is that Adepticon is actually in Chicago. And it opens on my day off.

So, all I need to do is buy a pass, jump on the Blue Line, and buy as many of these sweet little ships as FFG will let me.

Since you don't seem to care, along with most of the community, I know you guys will be happy that these repaints will find a home where they are truly loved. Even if you don't get one on Friday.

Go for it! That's kind of the point, after all.

And while you're at it, why not play a few games of 2nd edition while you're there? I'm sure there'll be a couple of forum-goers in attendance who'd be happy to give you a game or two

29 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

And while you're at it, why not play a few games of 2nd edition while you're there? I'm sure there'll be a couple of forum-goers in attendance who'd be happy to give you a game or two

Iirc @Darth Meanie has mentioned a couple of times that he was planning on playing the prequal factions as 2.0 ships occasionally.

57 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Go for it! That's kind of the point, after all.

And while you're at it, why not play a few games of 2nd edition while you're there? I'm sure there'll be a couple of forum-goers in attendance who'd be happy to give you a game or two

I'd have to borrow ships, but otherwise I'd have no objections.

1: Normal colored Vultures still work. They will not be outclassed by copper colored ones. The game is still playable.

2: Cool incenctive for commemorating Adepticon. Not the end of the world if I can't get it.

3: What's the alternative, nobody gets it? Where does it stop? No more prize-based acryllics? No more metal tokens? No more alt-arts? Just because I cAnT gEt It?

4: Paint exists. I know some artists who can paint these Vultures even better than FFG can. And they have already said that they will.

5: If they want to sell it, let them sell it. Just don't buy it. Get normal Vultures. Not the end of the world.

Other people can sometimes have a thing I don't have. I will not fear this or waste a moment worrying about it. Maybe there will be a cool dumb rare thing I get, too. We will all have different things and be happy.