They will probably sell for rrp. Which is usually more than they cost at your flgs.

Just when I thought gamers couldn't get any more entitled...

The people opposed to this would have a good point if FFG were providing new and exclusive cards to go along with their promotional model, and the minute they start doing that I think there'll be a wave of criticism heading their way. Offering a fairly niche ship in a different colour scheme is the very definition of non-essential item as far as I'm concerned. It's almost as if some people feel the need to complain about anything, no matter how minor. Like they'll get withdrawal symptoms if they don't fill their quote of FFG complaint posts for the week.

1 hour ago, Jike said:

Just when I thought gamers couldn't get any more entitled...

The people opposed to this would have a good point if FFG were providing new and exclusive cards to go along with their promotional model, and the minute they start doing that I think there'll be a wave of criticism heading their way. Offering a fairly niche ship in a different colour scheme is the very definition of non-essential item as far as I'm concerned. It's almost as if some people feel the need to complain about anything, no matter how minor. Like they'll get withdrawal symptoms if they don't fill their quote of FFG complaint posts for the week.

People like shiny things, in this case it is quite literally shiny, and often like to acquire them. Wanting something isn't in and of itself entitlement either. Neither is providing feedback that you do or don't like particular policies. Of note I haven't noticed anyway saying that they really like that FFG is doing this. I think it's a good thing if FFG knows that a large chunk of the playerbase would like access to special paintjobs like this. Because they'll keep doing this if they don't. I think an alt-paint ship is a bigger deal than a alt-art card by a fair margin, and wish there was some way for the general public to get access to this.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I think a lot of people are blowing this off because it's a vulture droid and many people aren't planning on playing them and it isn't a loved ship. But what if this was the only way you were getting a official moving wing Poe's T-70? ****, what if they decide to do the Blue X-wings this way? Because at this point I can almost guarantee you that that's going to be a thing if FFG keeps this up.

I don’t think this is a slippery slope where things like black one get exclusive releases.

Setting up a cool unique paint application is not free. This here is just swapping one color for another.

Also they would be silly to release a highly desirable product as a limited exclusive.

Event exclusives are common and publishers do them to help cover the costs of attending shows. They are a bane to collectors everywhere.

but that’s collecting man. It’s a silly habit.

30 minutes ago, DarkArk said:

People like shiny things, in this case it is quite literally shiny, and often like to acquire them. 

FFG is counting on this. The article says it all: "stand out from the pack"...it's all about owning an "exclusive" model that other players won't have. Now I agree with others who have suggested that a special model like this will make a nice memento of the event and I also agree that without different cards, it's not an issue mechanically. But that isn't what FFG is selling this on.

37 minutes ago, DarkArk said:

Like I said earlier in the thread, I think a lot of people are blowing this off because it's a vulture droid and many people aren't planning on playing them and it isn't a loved ship. But what if this was the only way you were getting a official moving wing Poe's T-70? ****, what if they decide to do the Blue X-wings this way? 

I would tend to agree. Something like this really isn't a big thing...until it's an alt paintjob you adore on a ship you love flying! I know I bought a couple of the 1.0 aces packs at least partly on the strength of new colour schemes (that gorgeous red TIE Defender...mmm!).

1 hour ago, DarkArk said:

Like I said earlier in the thread, I think a lot of people are blowing this off because it's a vulture droid and many people aren't planning on playing them and it isn't a loved ship. But what if this was the only way you were getting a official moving wing Poe's T-70? ****, what if they decide to do the Blue X-wings this way? Because at this point I can almost guarantee you that that's going to be a thing if FFG keeps this up.

While that may be the case for some of the people, I am not really taking into consideration what the ship is. In my thought process, it could be Poe’s t70 next, or a specific delta 7 paint scheme, or whatever. Still wouldn’t bother me.

Admittedly, if it was something I really liked, and I couldn’t go, I may try and ask a friend who’s going about snagging an extra one. But I’m not going to be complaining loudly on the forums that I can’t get one, or it’s not fair that it’s only provided at a specific event.

In fact, I kinda hope this expands over to Legion - some of the early sculpts are rough and I would love to see brand new alternate sculpts with the same unit card/info so they can take advantage of how much better their sculpting team is today on old iconic characters.

I think people are letting their suspicion of FFG override economic sense. And to be fair, the sheer number of weasel words FFG used in trying to sell people on 2e without actually committing to doing much has more than earned FFG that suspicion. But honestly? Even if it's Poe's T-70, I don't really care. The cost of commissioning someone to paint me my own Black One would be significantly lower than attending the convention. And the paintjob would probably be higher quality, too.

18 hours ago, MasterShake2 said:

If they start taking the Wizkids route and straight up giving you better stuff that you can only get at certain events, I'll provide the pitchforks and torches, but until then I treat these kinds of exclusives with basically this attitude:

This. As long as the pilot and upgrade cards remain the same, you're not giving any player an unfair advantage, just a cool conversation piece.

Even if we get Royal Guard models and pilot cards that are just 'renamed-but-identical' Saber Squadron Aces, for example, as an 'event attendance' perk, then you're not actually changing the game, and it's just something interesting, and I have absolutely zero problem with incentivising people to actually go to a major gaming event and interacting with people in person rather than just raging on the internet.

By comparison, it's why I dislike the wave event quickbuild participation prize Iden Version - who wasn't just an 'enhanced quick build' alt-art, but is genuinely different from (and I think better than) the standard quickbuild card (or at least, they should add this combination of upgrades to the quickbuild .pdf):

3 hours ago, DarkArk said:

Of note I haven't noticed anyway saying that they really like that FFG is doing this. I think it's a good thing if FFG knows that a large chunk of the playerbase would like access to special paintjobs like this. Because they'll keep doing this if they don't. I think an alt-paint ship is a bigger deal than a alt-art card by a fair margin, and wish there was some way for the general public to get access to this.

In the thread I made when the article dropped, I stated my excitement in the OP. Now yeah, I'll be a bit bummed when they do an alt-paint ARC at an event halfway around the world from me, but I'm still really pumped that they're doing this.

Like you say, it's a bigger deal than alt-art cards, and yes, by a fair margin... Which in turn makes events that much more exciting for those attending.

Nobody would be mad if they had commissioned a painter to be at adepticon who would repaint your off the shelf vulture for $20.

I can't even imagine being this petty. An opportunity exists for somebody else to get something nice, and wishing that instead, they couldn't, just because you can't have it too. Like children.

3 hours ago, svelok said:

Nobody would be mad if they had commissioned a painter to be at adepticon who would repaint your off the shelf vulture for $20.

I can't even imagine being this petty. An opportunity exists for somebody else to get something nice, and wishing that instead, they couldn't, just because you can't have it too. Like children.

I wish FFG would put it up on their site to sell during adepticon as well to allow those that can't attend an opportunity to get them as well.

Great idea FFG! I love this.

I've been to events where the prizes were custom painted ships, complete with LED lights for the engines.

I've played miniature games where some of the most powerful pieces or upgrades were only available as prize support, so you had to either win them or pay stupid prices on the secondary market just to be competitive.

I could not give a rip of FFG offers a unique paint job that offers no in-game bonuses to players, considering that fan events have been offering similar painted ships for years.

Edit: I mean, no ship FFG sells at a convention is ever going to be as sexy as this.

I am curious to know... how is it different than other people painting their own models?

Is it just because it’s coming from FFG? Because quite frankly, it’s not a really great paint job... it’s a very very basic one that anybody with limited skills could do... having it commissioned should not cost a lot... probably less than the entry fee to get into the convention.

personally, I think that it’s a good initiative from FFG and have a really hard time understanding the negativity towards it.... it’s not like the paint job gave any advantage in game, so it’s really the same thing as playing against someone that took the time to repaint his ships.

8 hours ago, DarkArk said:

Of note I haven't noticed anyway saying that they really like that FFG is doing this.

I'm sorry, I thought I had said as much, but maybe I was only implying it. I rather like that FFG is giving attendees something special and exclusive, as long as it's purely cosmetic and not a bonus to gameplay. (And no, I don't intend to attend or pick up one later.)

6 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

While that may be the case for some of the people, I am not really taking into consideration what the ship is. In my thought process, it could be Poe’s t70 next, or a specific delta 7 paint scheme, or whatever. Still wouldn’t bother me.

Admittedly, if it was something I really liked, and I couldn’t go, I may try and ask a friend who’s going about snagging an extra one. But I’m not going to be complaining loudly on the forums that I can’t get one, or it’s not fair that it’s only provided at a specific event.

In fact, I kinda hope this expands over to Legion - some of the early sculpts are rough and I would love to see brand new alternate sculpts with the same unit card/info so they can take advantage of how much better their sculpting team is today on old iconic characters.

Now, if they were to offer a set of Rogue Squadron's custom X-Wing paint jobs when they went independent to hunt down Ysanne Isard (complete with Ooryl's ultraviolet scheme)...

...honestly, I'd still be ok with that. I might wish I could go pick one up, and be disappointed if I couldn't, but in the end, it's still not negatively affecting my enjoyment of the game to not have it.

4 hours ago, svelok said:

An opportunity exists for somebody else to get something nice, and wishing that instead, they couldn't, just because you can't have it too.

Almost precisely the dictionary definition of "envy".

12 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:

I've been to events where the prizes were custom painted ships, complete with LED lights for the engines.

I've played miniature games where some of the most powerful pieces or upgrades were only available as prize support, so you had to either win them or pay stupid prices on the secondary market just to be competitive.

I could not give a rip of FFG offers a unique paint job that offers no in-game bonuses to players, considering that fan events have been offering similar painted ships for years.

Edit: I mean, no ship FFG sells at a convention is ever going to be as sexy as this.

Looks like just a normal First Order TIE to me, and it's small and out-of-focus to boot. It does look pretty good, though personally I prefer the Empire's colors to the First Order's.

I chimed in on the last thread but a few things have been added and there is a bit of a pile on of guys not happy about this. They've got a point. Particularly about the potential for this sort of thing to "escalate" to things lots of folks care about.

Back in the nineties I played a CCG and went to a big tourney in Columbus at the big game event there. I ended up in games with guys playing cards that I'd never seen because they were tourney prize exclusives. And the only way to counter them really was other tourney prize exclusives. And I'm not talking simply art I hadn't seen. I wasn't a particularly happy person that day.

So as long as this sort of thing is strictly cosmetic I'll be "fine" with it.

But I'd also note that I'm "fine" because I don't really think being "not fine" with it will change much and I'll be wasting my energy to get particularly bent out of shape. And it is a weird battle to fight. What's the old advice? "Only fight a battle where you gain something by winning," I think it goes. I don't see what is to be gained by fighting this battle except maybe avoiding ever needing the pitchforks and torches.

24 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

I chimed in on the last thread but a few things have been added and there is a bit of a pile on of guys not happy about this. They've got a point. Particularly about the potential for this sort of thing to "escalate" to things lots of folks care about.

People keep saying this has the potential to escalate, but until we see it happen, I actually think exactly the opposite.

I've played card games with game-altering tournament prizes, too, and it is quite infuriating, as many here have pointed out. However, I don't think alt-arts are a gateway to that, but rather a response . It seems to me that alt-arts are a company's method of backing away from overpowered premiums, while still offering attendees something exclusive to show off. It's possible that at some point in the future FFG could screw up big-time and decide to do exclusive pilots and whatnot, but I don't see that as the next logical step.

EDIT: In fact, I'd go so far as to say that my experiences with games doing that is part of the reason I actually like FFG taking this approach to prizes.

50 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

So as long as this sort of thing is strictly cosmetic I'll be "fine" with it.

This the line most of us who are supporting FFG doing this, myself included, draw in the sand from what I can tell. Cosmetic stuff like paint jobs that have no effect on the game itself isn't an issue for us. If FFG crosses that line though...

22 hours ago, Ebak said:

With all respect. While I also tire of the negativity, all he wants is the game to be better...

...I'll argue that point.

He hasn't bought into 2nd edition, doesn't play 2nd edition, is self-admittedly ultra-casual, focused on Epic-scale games and has no interest in Organised Play. Obviously this doesn't preclude him from having an opinion on the game in general, but these points are well worth bearing in mind when it comes to assessing that opinion. When you are all but without first hand experience of the current game due to your own personal preferences, how can you possibly determine would be good for the game as a whole?

****, I've bought into 2nd edition, played several OP events, else the app on a daily basis and yet I still wouldn't dare to presume what would "make the game better".

Anyway, the "good for the game" discussion is a bit misplaced here - I"m not entirely sure how FFG offering a limited run repainted miniature at Adepticon would affect the game in any way whatsoever.

My last tourney under 1.0 included a match against a player running quad Gunboats. Each was painted to correspond with Starscream, Skywarp, Thundercracker and Ramjet, complete with customized pilot cards. No pilot abilities, just regular Nu squadron pilots with fancy color schemes.

This is no different than that, aside from being painted by FFG and being nowhere near as awesome.

honestly, i wouldn't mind IF it was world wide, but as far as i know, it's US only, and even if they announce it in europe, i bet it won't be for my country...

This is what disturb me here... But it's a nice idea... just don't make it too much exclusive,.

3 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

...I'll argue that point.

He hasn't bought into 2nd edition, doesn't play 2nd edition, is self-admittedly ultra-casual, focused on Epic-scale games and has no interest in Organised Play. Obviously this doesn't preclude him from having an opinion on the game in general, but these points are well worth bearing in mind when it comes to assessing that opinion. When you are all but without first hand experience of the current game due to your own personal preferences, how can you possibly determine would be good for the game as a whole?

****, I've bought into 2nd edition, played several OP events, else the app on a daily basis and yet I still wouldn't dare to presume what would "make the game better".

Anyway, the "good for the game" discussion is a bit misplaced here - I"m not entirely sure how FFG offering a limited run repainted miniature at Adepticon would affect the game in any way whatsoever.

I’ll agree with the misplaced “good for the game” discussion, but for your other point, I’m not denying that Darth Meanie has grated on many people here on the forums, but I know he has mentioned buying Lando’s Falcon as well as a few other new ships that are 2.0 only and has stated that the prequel factions are going to drag him back in. He may not have bought in full throttle like some of us but he has bought some and plans to buy more. I see many opinions on here that I don’t agree with, and sometimes don’t agree with the way they are presented but I find it’s not worth the argument and let it slide right on by.

IF they are smart they will sell the "limited" ship at a later date to cut down on EBAY scalpers. However this is definitely a "Wiz Kids" move. Makes you wonder what they plan on bringing up for gen con?? If they do not make exclusive cards that is not to big a deal... I play attack wing and there are several ships and cards that i dont have because they were GEN CON only.. And that sucked.. However I didnt have a problem with the "blind ship" system at the LGS as it encouraged folks to come out and play. And if you had a good LGS they ordered enough that you could get what you wanted or trade a friend etc.. On a related note I think the current oversized OP kit cards are kind of lame, they dont fit in binders! Also the mini Coin tokens, might as well just use dimes...The prizes have seen to gotten lame, although the Future alt paint Howl runner is cool, they should make themed alt paint ships for the op kits or better yet blinds!! that they also sell at the next release date. just my 2 cents..

Imagine being this determined to make yourself unhappy about things....

15 hours ago, JJ48 said:

People keep saying this has the potential to escalate, but until we see it happen, I actually think exactly the opposite.

But the whole thing has been escalating. Hasn't it? It was just alt-art pilot and upgrade cards. Then fancy tokens. Then templates and range rulers. Then dice. Then double-side alt-art in Star Wars text. Then playmats. And alt-art damage decks and matching templates and tray. Then plastic alt-art cards. Exclusive quick-build cards. All of that was prizes which is a little different than alternate paint ships available for purchase. But we now have alternate paint ships available for purchase at a single event.

I tend to agree that we won't get "new" pilots or upgrades. I think (well fervently hope) they know the danger of these things being more than "bling." But there has clearly already been an escalation of all of this.