4 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

Reprints from where? 

Most likely the Core set and other extant expansions.

Just now, Hiemfire said:

Most likely the Core set and other extant expansions.

That’s my guess too. Probably the Force Power included with Palpatine.

33 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

Sure this is Legion but is anyone really sticking  with the no danger of escalation  ?

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2019/2/27/the-power-of-the-dark-side-1/

Here's the bullet: 

Reprints from where?

I really like this, more than the alternate paint scheme that the vulture is getting. It's kinda like FFG looked at what Mels minatures is doing and decided "we'll make our own alternate mini's!" I get the apprehension, but this isn't escalating what is happening in X-wing so much as translating it to a game that doesn't do pre-painted mini's. These limited edition things aren't a concern until there are game components you can't get without a plane ticket and a way into Celebration or a random con. I don't think that will happen, but if it does I'll pick up my pitchfork along with everyone else.

52 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

Sure this is Legion but is anyone really sticking with the no danger of escalation?

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2019/2/27/the-power-of-the-dark-side-1/

Here's the bullet:

Reprints from where?

Chill. You probably don’t play Legion (I do), so you wouldn’t know this without further research, but Darth Vader is in the core set. His Force upgrade cards are in the core set too.

There is literally nothing new to the game from that pack, functionally speaking. 100% cosmetic difference, and I have no problem with that.

On 2/21/2019 at 9:25 AM, TheCeilican said:

No, hurt feelings don't matter. Everything you do hurts someone's feelings, it's for the person who is hurt to deal with whether it's legitimate for them to feel hurt or not. This is where this has broken down, because of a lack of perspective of your own irrelevance.

Oh, piffle. Literally not everything you do hurts someone's feelings, and the sort of moral relativist explanation one has to undertake to say that all actions are the same is uninteresting and incorrect.

On 2/21/2019 at 3:30 AM, Darth Meanie said:

In this thread there are 2 basic camps:

Some who want this promo, but can't have it. And like you said, it's not merit-locked, but rather geography-locked. So they are miffed, as well as concerned that this will become a new way to miss out on options.

Then there is the other side, people who think that this is a reward for simply traveling to Adepticon. But a useless reward, since it doesn't add anything useful to their tournament tool kit, which is probably why they would be taking the time to go to Adepticon.

But what really gets my goat is that the I Don't Care group is calling the I Do Care group entitled, OCD, and crybabies because they actually like Xwing MINIATURES enough to be sad they are missing out, not on dice, templates or cards, but on an actual miniature, and thus would prefer for this type of promo to not become A Thing. Which is why they are out here stating their case.

Please don't confuse my stance on this with the sort of thoughtlessness exhibited by some in this thread. There are more than two sides - my own stance is that I do not care a whit about competitive play, NOR do I care a whit about cosmetic exclusives. Compounding that is that anyone who wants a cool paint scheme, and argues that access to a cool paint scheme should be wider, has already demonstrated (by virtue of buying these minis) that they have the disposable capital (be it in time, or money) to either paint one or commission one to be painted.

One other thing is that there is this sentiment running through some of the thread that somehow geographic attendance limitations are more unjust than event winning restrictions... but from where I'm standing, they're both unjust. For better or worse, all things any of us buy - especially as collectors' items - are behind some sort of wall, and a wall which is in accessible to most people who exist. All things that any of us win - especially in this sort of casual game background - is behind a skill wall, and that skill wall can't be crossed by everyone because the vast majority of us don't happen to be in the right situation to spend hours getting good at something that is, at the end of the day, trivial.

The argument from an accessibility standpoint on this particular cosmetic exclusive fails, thusly, on multiple grounds. First, is exclusive in a different way than other other exclusives, but the nature of exclusion hasn't changed. Second, a focus primarily on the cosmetic qualities of the product, rather than a social or mechanical experience of the game piece, would be better fulfilled by comissioning unique paintjobs (and it would support your local artistic scene, and avoid rewarding the non-productive activity of scalping). Now, there's a possibility that someone who truly can't afford the cost of buying a stock Vulture and having it commission painted, but CAN afford multiple stock Vultures, is left out, but that demographic seems vanishingly small.

2 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

Chill. You probably don’t play Legion (I do), so you wouldn’t know this without further research, but Darth Vader is in the core set. His Force upgrade cards are in the core set too.

There is literally nothing new to the game from that pack, functionally speaking. 100% cosmetic difference, and I have no problem with that.

its not 100% cosmetic though. There is a significant height difference which does have gameplay implications. In this case it isn't advantageous, but it is more than cosmetic.

21 minutes ago, jcmonson said:

its not 100% cosmetic though. There is a significant height difference which does have gameplay implications. In this case it isn't advantageous, but it is more than cosmetic.

It’s not that significant, especially as you point it’s less advantageous (and 100% no difference except for what blocks line of sight)

4 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

It’s not that significant, especially as you point it’s less advantageous (and 100% no difference except for what blocks line of sight)

Yes in this case i agree with you, but what if the Gencon one was a crouching Luke that could hide behind the barricades?

2 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

It’s not that significant, especially as you point it’s less advantageous (and 100% no difference except for what blocks line of sight)

Oooo... BXs being able to head shot commanders might get me into the game.

Just now, jcmonson said:

Yes in this case i agree with you, but what if the Gencon one was a crouching like that could hide behind the barricades?

Great! You can’t shoot (or saber throw) over them either then 😛

Honestly, it’s not that big a deal to me. I doubt it will be terribly game warping in any case

1 hour ago, ScummyRebel said:

Great! You can’t shoot (or saber throw) over them either then 😛

Honestly, it’s not that big a deal to me. I doubt it will be terribly game warping in any case

it my not be now, but it is a disturbing trend that's happening. The fact is the went from alt art cards to alt paint minis with no effect on game play to alternative sculpts that have a minor impact on game play should be concerning to all. To those that are ok with this, at what point is it ok to have gameplay impacting miniatures locked behind a convention or tournament?

3 hours ago, player3679152 said:

...is behind a skill wall, and that skill wall can't be crossed by everyone because the vast majority of us don't happen to be in the right situation to spend hours getting good at something that is, at the end of the day, trivial.

Yeah. Personally speaking, if I have to place in the top 8 billion, I may as well give up as my chances are effectively 0%.

3 minutes ago, jcmonson said:

it my not be now, but it is a disturbing trend that's happening. The fact is the went from alt art cards to alt paint minis with no effect on game play to alternative sculpts that have a minor impact on game play should be concerning to all. To those that are ok with this, at what point is it ok to have gameplay impacting miniatures locked behind a convention or tournament?

What does that have to do with X-Wing, though? Short of giving it a different size base, what gameplay-affecting changes could they possibly make to the miniatures?

for x-wing it would be similar to giving a con ship a slightly smaller or larger base, so not miniature related. It just happens that it is miniature related in Legion. It would stand to reason that if FFG is ok giving one of their games that treatment they would be willing to do it with all of them.

24 minutes ago, jcmonson said:

To those that are ok with this, at what point is it ok to have gameplay impacting miniatures locked behind a convention or tournament?

As someone OK with both the Adepticon vulture droid and Celebration Vader mini.... I draw the line at an actual unique unit that cannot be obtained elsewhere. As in, different point cost, different stat line, or some other mechanical reason it’s unique not cosmetic with a possible minimal difference (but not in practice)

^^^ This. We're not talking about some hard-to-define grey area here. I think pretty much everyone is in agreement that the line that FFG absolutely should not cross is exclusive ships with different rules, either as prizes or Con exclusives.

4 hours ago, Jike said:

^^^ This. We're not talking about some hard-to-define grey area here. I think pretty much everyone is in agreement that the line that FFG absolutely should not cross is exclusive ships with different rules, either as prizes or Con exclusives.

Agreed. It's an even clearer line with X-wing, where the model, and the art of the rules card, are basically irrelevant; if a special edition pilot card was drawn with crayons by a 5-year-old and the model was a vaguely shaped lump of plasticine you'd basically have the kimogila it'd make no difference in game.

For that matter, if they wanted to do a "Royal Guard Escort" with the old Red TIE interceptor with an Initiative Value, Talent Slot and Cost functionally identical to the Saber Squadron Ace, I think I'd be fine with that.

45 minutes ago, Magnus Grendel said:

Agreed. It's an even clearer line with X-wing, where the model, and the art of the rules card, are basically irrelevant; if a special edition pilot card was drawn with crayons by a 5-year-old and the model was a vaguely shaped lump of plasticine you'd basically have the kimogila it'd make no difference in game.

For that matter, if they wanted to do a "Royal Guard Escort" with the old Red TIE interceptor with an Initiative Value, Talent Slot and Cost functionally identical to the Saber Squadron Ace, I think I'd be fine with that.

I'd prefer to see a recoloured and alt-arted Saber Ace, just in case ship names ever matter. Changing the mechanics is the line that shouldn't be crossed, even if those mechanics are basically irrelevant.

19 hours ago, jcmonson said:

its not 100% cosmetic though. There is a significant height difference which does have gameplay implications. In this case it isn't advantageous, but it is more than cosmetic.

But since the game also have an hobby side to it, nothing prevents a player to make the same kind of base with his Core Set Vader if he feels like it.

Can't wait to see someone win a system open with these things in their list and all the salt and memes that follow.

This is the most bizarre thread I've ever been in and I honestly couldn't give a short answer as to how and why. I just had to say that. Please by all means continue.

On 2/27/2019 at 5:36 PM, ScummyRebel said:

As someone OK with both the Adepticon vulture droid and Celebration Vader mini.... I draw the line at an actual unique unit that cannot be obtained elsewhere. As in, different point cost, different stat line, or some other mechanical reason it’s unique not cosmetic with a possible minimal difference (but not in practice)

I hate seeing these extremely rare alts, but I agree with you. I played Dice masters a few years back and on top of several of the OOP Rare and Ultra-rare cards required for a competitive deck, they released a card with 1 die (you could used up to 4 IIRC) at a system open type event that was incredible, a top 3 card, it went for $100+ with 1 die. You would see the winners of all tournaments included this card in their deck and as a casual - semi-competitive player made the game not fun to play.