10 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

I want promotional items to be promotional, not exclusives.

4 minutes ago, DarkArk said:

I have to wonder if people would be so flippant about it if it was Poe's black and orange X-wing, or a red-stripe interceptor, or one of the varied Jedi paintjobs? I.E., ships people are much more likely to care about. Because I can guarantee that they'll keep doing this as time goes on, and with likely far more popular ships.

I completely understand this line of thought. If they move towards exclusive paint jobs of specific characters or even specific squadrons, I'm sure loads more of us will jump on your little bandwagon.

As it is? Literally the equivalent of a foil card. It's the exact same paint job as the Trade Federation Vulture--as far as I can tell--just shiny. @ForceSensitive , based on your examples, you should have absolutely no problem with this one.

16 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

I'm copy pasting from another thread, it's my own.

I don't like that they do those event exclusives that aren't prizes. I could go get one, it's a day trip practically, but I won't because my job has me work weekends, so I'd have to call off, and this close to the event there's not much time to plan. But one of the driving reasons for getting into the game, and indeed recommendation of it for so long, was that it DIDN'T follow the WizKids prize out designs at all, and this is getting closer. But now there's all these playmats and soon       a Vulture that I'll never really have access to buy. I could get it on eBay, sure. But I feel for all our players who live abroad like Europe, Asia, and Australia, that's a huge unfairness to them. It just grinds my gears.

It would be a whole different matter if anything you could pick up as a promo was available retail months later or by special order, and the only benefit of getting it as a promotional item was that you paid a reduced price or got it for free and early.  

Added for this post: it would also make sense to me if you could get a promo 'stamped' version, and a regular retail plain version. Like, as much as I want some of the special playmats, I'm not paying hawker price online with untrusted sellers, and if I didn't go to the event I don't want the big shiny stamps in the corner. Magic did this for prerelease cards and it worked fine.

Bottom line, I want promotional items to be promotional, not exclusives. I'm playing a collectible game, I should be able to collect it for mostly the same price as everyone else, and through the same channels.

What does it matter if it's a participation prize versus something you can buy? It's something you can buy either way...

38 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

I'm copy pasting from another thread, it's my own.

I don't like that they do those event exclusives that aren't prizes. I could go get one, it's a day trip practically, but I won't because my job has me work weekends, so I'd have to call off, and this close to the event there's not much time to plan. But one of the driving reasons for getting into the game, and indeed recommendation of it for so long, was that it DIDN'T follow the WizKids prize out designs at all, and this is getting closer. But now there's all these playmats and soon       a Vulture that I'll never really have access to buy. I could get it on eBay, sure. But I feel for all our players who live abroad like Europe, Asia, and Australia, that's a huge unfairness to them. It just grinds my gears.

It would be a whole different matter if anything you could pick up as a promo was available retail months later or by special order, and the only benefit of getting it as a promotional item was that you paid a reduced price or got it for free and early.  

Added for this post: it would also make sense to me if you could get a promo 'stamped' version, and a regular retail plain version. Like, as much as I want some of the special playmats, I'm not paying hawker price online with untrusted sellers, and if I didn't go to the event I don't want the big shiny stamps in the corner. Magic did this for prerelease cards and it worked fine.

Bottom line, I want promotional items to be promotional, not exclusives. I'm playing a collectible game, I should be able to collect it for mostly the same price as everyone else, and through the same channels.

Thank you for answering. I can kind of see where you are coming from.

34 minutes ago, DarkArk said:

I have to wonder if people would be so flippant about it if it was Poe's black and orange X-wing, or a red-stripe interceptor, or one of the varied Jedi paintjobs? I.E., ships people are much more likely to care about. Because I can guarantee that they'll keep doing this as time goes on, and with likely far more popular ships.

Considering all the alt art cards that have been made over the years, I think so, yeah. There is some deference between winning an alt art card and buying an exclusive reprint, but it boils down to something very similar. I couldn't go and get it. And we have dealt with this for a long time. I lived without alt art Guri before this, I can live without even a exclusive B-Wing made to look like the prototype.

Another interesting point is thatthere is a thriving custom paint market out there. You want Plo Koon's Jedi starfighter, but can't go to the convention where it is being offered? Look up some skilled artists who can do it for you. You might not have the official repaint, but you can still fly Plo Koon in his colors.

On 2/16/2019 at 3:32 AM, FTS Gecko said:

Since FFG announced that the "Aces" pack repaints wouldn't be reprinted?

Get those bloodstripe TIE Interceptors while you can, boys...

It's about accessibility.

While these packs were in print, anyone could get one.

If some nice repaints become Attendance Only, FFG is yet again favoring a certain type of player over others. And, as some others have said, may now cross their line of WTF FFG.

Lastly if FFG is going to provide to some, telling others to DIY their own repaint is basically telling the have nots to just suck it up.

I would actually be fine if some paint jobs rotated out of print. BUT they should have been available to all players for a reasonable amount of time.

As a painting issue yeah you could do it yourself, I'm fairly good so I could do it myself. I could pay a premium to have someone else do it, and probably better than me too. But doesn't that defeat the propose of having prepainted minis? And I am paying additional on top of the base to get it. That just seems like a semantics defense for FFG. Just saying. Like at that point, if that's the defense... Then why should they make the special paint scheme in the first place?

I am curious to see what these guys will end up going for after market. I wager there will be more than a few folks scrambling to put together sets of multiples and drive the price and availability through the roof and floor.

9 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

It's about accessibility.

While these packs were in print, anyone could get one.

If some nice repaints become Attendance Only, FFG is yet again favoring a certain type of player over others. And, as some others have said, may now cross their line of WTF FFG.

Lastly if FFG is going to provide to some, telling others to DIY their own repaint is basically telling the have nots to just suck it up.

I would actually be fine if some paint jobs rotated out of print. BUT they should have been available to all players for a reasonable amount of time.

If paintjob rotation is a thing (and it might be, given the Decimator, B-Wing, and Scum Z-95 re-releases) FFG is already favouring a certain type of player over others - namely, those who were keyed into the game, and had the funds available, when those paintjobs were out. Anyone who isn't, and is also not willing to spend the time/money to find what are now OOP paint schemes, is a have not who has to suck it up.

I mean, I think this thread is insane because what FFG is doing is exactly what you should do with something like this. It doesn't provide the owner with an in-game advantage, it's just a cosmetic difference. It's a "cool to have" item, like a character skin in Overwatch, a foil card in MTG or some of the super old "At ease" Cadian troopers GW had a long time ago. It's a piece of gamer bling, but to read some of these posts, you'd think was a necessity to play the game, something I just don't understand. I had a Gencon ninja pick me up an exclusive scupt of the Elara2 warcaster for Retribution and now it makes for a nice conversation piece, but I have yet to see anyone be like, "OMG, you have that and it available anymore?! RIOT!"

If they start taking the Wizkids route and straight up giving you better stuff that you can only get at certain events, I'll provide the pitchforks and torches, but until then I treat these kinds of exclusives with basically this attitude:

10 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

If some nice repaints become Attendance Only, FFG is yet again favoring a certain type of player over others.

You mean that "certain type of player who a: actually plays 2nd edition and b: makes the time and effort to go to FFG's organised play events?

Oh, the horror. The injustice of it all. Whatever will we do?

If it was a different sculpt I might feel differently, but tbh even then I'd hope I can reality check myself to grow up and stop being so pathetic as to care about other people having something nice because they did something special.

Somebody else having a nicer cake doesn't make your cake taste worse than it always did.

13 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

You mean that "certain type of player who a: actually plays 2nd edition and b: makes the time and effort to go to FFG's organised play events?

You forgot IN NORTH AMERICA.

I guess the rest of the world can **** off, too.

16 minutes ago, player3679152 said:

If paintjob rotation is a thing (and it might be, given the Decimator, B-Wing, and Scum Z-95 re-releases) FFG is already favouring a certain type of player over others - namely, those who were keyed into the game, and had the funds available, when those paintjobs were out. Anyone who isn't, and is also not willing to spend the time/money to find what are now OOP paint schemes, is a have not who has to suck it up.

Well, it would at least be rewarding the player who has invested a long-term commitment of time and money into the game over "I went to Adepticon. Once."

8 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Well, it would at least be rewarding the player who has invested a long-term commitment of time and money into the game over "I went to Adepticon. Once."

You mean invest in going out and supporting FFG events, which helps grow the brand and expose the game to new players? Some of those people going to Adepticon are exactly who you described and now have a chance to get something limited for their active patronage.

13 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

You forgot IN NORTH AMERICA.

I guess the rest of the world can **** off, too.

You are aware that FFG run Organised Play events around the world, right Meanie? That Adepticon is not the only event in FFG's calendar?

But of course, don't let the facts dissuade you from your constant, entitled flapping.

@Darth Meanie at one point you were principled and had a point. Now you're so one-note consistently obnoxious on a daily basis that it's all been undermined. You would really benefit from taking time out to count to 10, rebalance, and find a way of rejoining the community in a constructive way.

Maybe a new username and personality lwould serve you well?

It's not like the US and Yurop have had event only exclusive prize support for years, while the rest of the world got left out, right?

It's a paint job ffs, and not a particularly good one. Its no different than the alt art you can only get at system opens, or continentals, or worlds......

2 hours ago, TheCeilican said:

@Darth Meanie at one point you were principled and had a point. Now you're so one-note consistently obnoxious on a daily basis that it's all been undermined. You would really benefit from taking time out to count to 10, rebalance, and find a way of rejoining the community in a constructive way.

Maybe a new username and personality lwould serve you well?

When I stop getting likes on my posts I'll know that no one agrees with me at all, and consider my options.

Until then, yours is just another opinion in a sea of opinions. And a biased one at that, since you've pre-judged me as irrelevant to the 2.o scene.

BTW, since you are also judgmental about Epic, you never answered my question about whether you have played that way.

I am disappointed slightly too, mainly cause I just cant afford to GO to the location to buy the minature. I could prob affford the 20 dollars or whatever they are charging for it, and ID even get at least 2, as the Classic Brown would look good going up against the N1s. but its litterely only going to be availible at ONE location in the middle of no where, IL. I dont understand how minature collector companies think everyone has big buco dollars to go to conventions to get there stuff, when they could make more money selling them online to everyone. This is just bad marketing because its not FFG that makes the money, its the scalpers on the 3rd party markets.

4 hours ago, TheCeilican said:

@Darth Meanie at one point you were principled and had a point. Now you're so one-note consistently obnoxious on a daily basis that it's all been undermined. You would really benefit from taking time out to count to 10, rebalance, and find a way of rejoining the community in a constructive way.

Maybe a new username and personality lwould serve you well?

With all respect. While I also tire of the negativity, all he wants is the game to be better and there's nothing wrong with that. I get it...it's annoying to see the same stuff repeated ad nausium, but...Meanie has good points and he is right. There are people who agree with him. They may not be the majority (going by the general responses to him) but they are out there.

32 minutes ago, Zeoinx said:

I am disappointed slightly too, mainly cause I just cant afford to GO to the location to buy the minature. I could prob affford the 20 dollars or whatever they are charging for it, and ID even get at least 2, as the Classic Brown would look good going up against the N1s. but its litterely only going to be availible at ONE location in the middle of no where, IL. I dont understand how minature collector companies think everyone has big buco dollars to go to conventions to get there stuff, when they could make more money selling them online to everyone. This is just bad marketing because its not FFG that makes the money, its the scalpers on the 3rd party markets.    

Thought it was worth mentioning that this looks to be an entirely original paint job that is inspired by the trade fed scheme but is in metallic colours.

However, you can still get them in Trade Federation brown, the separate expansion of the Vulture actually comes in the TF brown scheme: https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/x-wing-second-edition/products/vulture-class-droid-fighter-expansion/

So never fear, your Episode I screen accurate squadron is possible, if expensive...but probably not as expensive as buying 8 of the metallic ones.

FFG has been doing this for years, it's just paint on plastic this time instead of paint on a card. And unlike card promos, most game stores will happily sell you the supplies and teach you the skills you need to just make this on your own. It's not a very difficult paint job to reproduce, there's no intricate pattern or decals here.

This is not Wizkids making overpowered event-only pilots and upgrades that break the game and can only be played by a small number of people or WOTC/Konami putting tournament staples in randomized boosters in teeny tiny quantities.

Just now, Tvboy said:

FFG has been doing this for years, it's just paint on plastic this time instead of paint on a card. And unlike card promos, most game stores will happily sell you the supplies and teach you the skills you need to just make this on your own. It's not a very difficult paint job to reproduce, there's no intricate pattern or decals here.   

This is not Wizkids making overpowered event-only pilots and upgrades that break the game and can only be played by a small number of people or WOTC/Konami putting tournament staples in randomized boosters in teeny tiny quantitie  s. 

Yeah, I really need to learn how to paint, but I suck at art so I am not sure how well I'd do. I really want to learn though.

As for the second statment...boy have I been there...I play Attack Wing because I like Star Trek as well as Star Wars...but **** does it have its problems and the soft-reboot has helped a little...but sadly I think it's too little too late for a game I do actually enjoy.

5 hours ago, TheCeilican said:

Somebody else having a nicer cake doesn't make your cake taste worse than it always did.

And this right here is what the upset saltiness on the forum over this amounts to.

It’s jealousy, envy, or whatever else but it amounts to comparing your game/opportunity to another. And doing that comparison anywhere, from plastic spaceships to careers to anything, will make you miserable.

I don’t compare to anyone other than myself. I do the best I can. In the case of xwing, I just play to have fun. What other people do or how often they get to play? Not my concern.

Sometimes I get too salty myself (I did with the new releases for example), and I have to step back and remember this.

5 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

If some nice repaints become Attendance Only, FFG is yet again favoring a certain type of player over others. And, as some others have said, may now cross their line of WTF FFG.

Yeah they're rewarding the players that put down the dollars in plane tickets, hotel costs and event fees to show up and support these events and FFG OP that have basically zero value in prize support, over the players that can barely even be bothered to show up to their local events, with a crappy looking alternate paint scheme on a ship that only fraction of the player base is even going to play. What a horrible travesty of injustice this is, what an incredible gift FFG has given the hardcore tournament players who spent hundreds on airfare and hotels and have to pay $35 just to get into the event on top of $30 tourney entry fees all for the chance to win an amazing $0 in prizes, the amazing gift of being able to pay $20 for a ship that has no objective added value over the stock shelf version (beige vs copper, who's to say which color is truly uglier?), which is likely to sell out before most of those players even arrive for the System Open which is happening the day after these little things go on sale. None of these are being reserved for tournament players as far as I heard, it's going to be first come first serve come Thursday, and if you're arriving Thursday night for the System Open on Friday and they're all gone, too bad.

9 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

But I feel for all our players who live abroad like Europe, Asia, and Australia, that's a huge unfairness to them. It just grinds my gears.

As an Australian, meh. It's a minor annoyance at worst. No worse than all the other Worlds and GenCon exclusives we haven't been able to get over the years.

In the grand scheme of things, this is a luxury item for a luxury item. It is of even less practical value than acrylic templates and such. Getting worked up about it's availablity is kind of ridiculous.

12 hours ago, DarkArk said:

I have to wonder if people would be so flippant about it if it was Poe's black and orange X-wing, or a red-stripe interceptor, or one of the varied Jedi paintjobs? I.E., ships people are much more likely to care about. Because I can guarantee that they'll keep doing this as time goes on, and with likely far more popular ships.

Eh. Personally, I like how it looks; but in the end, it's just a repaint. I like having repaints of specific pilots, but people getting something special for going to an event is cool too, as long as it's not giving them an advantage over those who just buy what's publicly available.

12 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

Bottom line, I want promotional items to be promotional, not exclusives.

How does something being exclusive stop it from being promotional?

11 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Lastly if FFG is going to provide to some, telling others to DIY their own repaint is basically telling the have nots to just suck it up.

Exactly. If they really care that much about it, they can go to the event or do it themselves, but either way, they should quit whining about it.

5 hours ago, Ebak said:

With all respect. While I also tire of the negativity, all he wants is the game to be better and there's nothing wrong with that. I get it...it's annoying to see the same stuff repeated ad nausium, but...Meanie has good points and he is right. There are people who agree with him. They may not be the majority (going by the general responses to him) but they are out there.

True, he does make good points at times, and there are others who like his posts.

...of course, some of those "like"s are from Rexler Brath, so make of that what you will.

@Tvboy just checking have you heard/seen anywhere for that they’ll only be $20? I’m a little anxious that they’ll be gone before I can get in to the booth, and part of me expects them to cost more than that, too 😅