Assume I have a Rebel Falcon with Leia & Seasoned Navigator crew and I use Leia at the beginning of the Activation Phase. If I dial a white 3 bank left and Seasoned Navigator to a 3 Hard Right, which SN turns red while you move, now Leia should be able to turn a red maneuver into a white. The effect of Leia card stats "During this phase" no specific timing. The effect of SN says "while you execute that maneuver," which is also during this phase. With no more precise timing the default would be the player decides. If someone has any better clarification on this I would appreciate comments & verification.

Here is the text of both cards.

"At the start of the Activation Phase, you may spend 3 charges. During this phase, each friendly ship reduces the difficulty of its red maneuvers."

"After you reveal your dial, you may set your dial to another non-red maneuver of the same speed. While you execute that maneuver, increase its difficulty."

So the question is whether:

a) Leia triggers once when activated and affects all friendly dials simultaneously, to apply a reduction in difficulty to all maneuvers which are red AT THAT TIME, or

b) Leia waits until the final difficulty of the maneuver is determined (taking into account such effects as Damaged Engine crits), and then reduces THAT difficulty as appropriate, or

c) each dial is affected individually at a specific timing of the owner's choice.

My gut feeling is that Option B is the most correct, but I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.

DIFFICULTY

Each maneuver has three components: speed (a number 0–5), difficulty (red, white, or blue), and bearing (an arrow or other symbol). During the Check Difficulty step of executing a maneuver, if the maneuver is red, the ship gains one stresstoken; if the maneuver is blue, the ship removes one stress token.• A stressed ship cannot execute red maneuvers or perform actions.

• If an effect increases the difficulty of a maneuver, blue increases to white, and white increases to red. If an effect decreases the difficulty of a maneuver, red decreases to white, and white decreases to blue.

◊ An ability that increases the difficulty of a red maneuver or decreases the difficulty of a blue maneuver can resolve, but has no additional effect.

◊ If multiple abilities change the difficulty of a maneuver, the effects are cumulative. For example, if a ship reveals a red [4 ⁞] maneuver and has one effect that increases the difficulty of the maneuver and another effect that decreases the difficulty of the maneuver, the maneuver is treated as red.

I'm still not sure tbh.

Yeah it makes sense that the original white 3 hard is increased in difficulty by Seasoned Nav to red, and Leia reduces the difficulty of all red manoeuvres to white (note that Leia says 'this phase', and doesn't say something like 'on revealing a red manoeuvre'), so under the Difficulty set of rules these affects are cumulative; so the end result is that the original 3 hard white is... 3 hard white.

It's a nice combo for sure

the effects are cumulative. a white maneuver turning red will be considered a red maneuver and leias effect will turn it white.

I think the best way to treat it is to essentially wind up on the original color. If difficulty changes are cumulative, Leia and Navigator offset each other.

Navigator to a White move; Navigator turns it Red, Leia turns it White.

Leia turns the S-Loops on a Rebel Falcon White, Navigator to a S-Loop from a 3-straight (you can now, since it's a white not red move), Navigator turns it Red. I personally think it'd be inappropriate to apply Leia's effect a second time.

Seems like a small consensus. Thanks for replies

With @theBitterFig 's input, we are now getting to a wobbly situation here:

• It does seem intuitive that Leia should reduce the difficulty of red manoeuvres which suddenly pop out during the activation phase she is active at;
• Simultaneously, it also seems intuitive that Leia should not apply multiple times to the same manoeuvre, variation on the "once per opportunity" rule, to say.

But if she'd be free to change a manoeuvre that 'suddenly' became red during the activation, why shouldn't she if it 'suddenly' did after she already made it easier?

Interesting case, for sure. I'm 100% fine with turning white straight into a red-into-white bank, but the white bank into a red-into-white-into-red-into-white sloop does not sound right to me.

3 hours ago, ryfterek said:

With @theBitterFig 's input, we are now getting to a wobbly situation here:

• It does seem intuitive that Leia should reduce the difficulty of red manoeuvres which suddenly pop out during the activation phase she is active at;
• Simultaneously, it also seems intuitive that Leia should not apply multiple times to the same manoeuvre, variation on the "once per opportunity" rule, to say.

But if she'd be free to change a manoeuvre that 'suddenly' became red during the activation, why shouldn't she if it 'suddenly' did after she already made it easier?

Interesting case, for sure. I'm 100% fine with turning white straight into a red-into-white bank, but the white bank into a red-into-white-into-red-into-white sloop does not sound right to me.

agreed. once per opportunity should prevent her effect from applying several times to the same maneuver, even if it isn't the same maneuver anymore.

i mean, leias effect is a single effect, not several ones. i suppose it could be argued that applying leias effect to a maneuver, then applying navigators effect to change the maneuver, then applying leia again, is all well and good. i think it's seems a bit abusive, though.

in practice, you reveal your dial and try to activate seasoned navigator, the revealed maneuver is red, but since leia decreases the difficulty, it is treated as white, you the use navigator to change the maneuver to another red maneuver that's being treated as white thanks to leia. navigator then increases the difficulty of that maneuver to red.

oh, you want to apply leias effect again? i would argue that since her effect has already been applied, it cannot be applied again because of the once per opportunity restriction. her timing is "during this activation", which means that during this activation, she decreases the difficulty of red maneuvers once and once only.