Hey guys, ran into a situation the other day that I didn't know how to handle, and we ended up just flipping a coin, but I wanted to get a more concrete ruling.

I was playing Targ, and my opponent stark. He had rob stark (duped) with Ice, and I played Dragon bite on him. I also had (pardon my newness) the attachment that forced my opponent to choose his defenders, and it was summer.

I declared a military challenge, she choose to defend with rob stark, so I chose to attack with raegal. during the challenge she played a card that knelt another stark character and killed raegal... At this point it made it really confusing who was in the challenge and who died.

Can someone assist me in how this is actually suppose to happen, and how this challenge would work itself out.

Thanks

As soon as you declare Rhaegal as an attacker, the Dragon Bite should kill Robb. At that point Rhaegal is attacking and no characters are defending. Dragon Sight fiddles with the timing a bit, but there is still an opportunity to trigger abilities and play events before determining the winner of the challenge, so your opponent has the opportunity to kneel two House Stark characters and play Lethal Counterattack at this point. If she does so, Rhaegal would be killed. Assuming Rhaegal is not saved, there are now no characters left in the challenge. There is a ruling in the FAQ that if at any time there are no characters left in a challenge after attackers have been declared the challenge ends without resolution, so that is what would happen. I hope that makes sense!

Is ROB one of the characters that can be knelt?

Winged_Human said:

If you declared him as a defender, he's already kneeling (unless you had some effect that let him defend without kneeling). If he's already kneeling, you can't kneel him a second time to pay for another effect.

schrecklich said:

Just to be sure I'm understanding you, a duped Rob with Dragon bite will be completely removed from the board once he participates against a dragon character in a challenge?

Winged_Human said:

Dragon Bite says "Attached character is killed any time it is participating in a challenge in which a Dragon character is participating."

So if you save Robb after Rhaegal is declared, isn't Robb still participating in the challenge? That's "any time," right? So he dies all over again. And that keeps happening, no matter how many times you try to save him. It's really no different than "the character dies if its STR is 0" effects; no matter how many times you save him, his STR is still 0 and he just dies again.

When saving a character doesn't actually stop him from being killed like this, the character is subject to what is called a "terminal effect." It is actually illegal to even try to save a character from a terminal effect unless the save also removes the character from the the terminal state (ie, takes it out of whatever condition is killing it all over again). So it is illegal to use the dupe on Robb. It is, in fact, illegal to use any save on him that doesn't also remove either him or Rhaegal from the challenge at the same time as it saves him.