On 2/2/2019 at 8:17 PM, SpiderMana said:

Some of us can’t read the article 😜

But the translation I read only stated “spend a force to evade,” not that it was your normal action step.

The same person who was translating the article said that he received outside confirmation that it was the normal action, and his source apparently has a good track record. So I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I’m also willing to hope he’s somehow wrong 😜

Yeah, I'm Polish. And also, by the matter of fact, a lawyer So I'm used to reading rules and stuff

And the part about evades, in my translation, says:

Jedi taking seat in Delta-7 cockpits not only have quite a large number of actions at their disposal, but also are able to spend a Force token in order to perform the new, purple evade action . That's not everything yet! After performing a complete manouver, thanks to their precise steering systems, Delta-7 may spend another Force token, in order to perform boost or barrel roll action.

(Originally: Jedi zasiadający w kokpitach Delty-7 nie dość, że dysponują całkiem pokaźną liczbą dostępnych akcji, to na dodatek mogą wydać żeton Mocy, aby wykonać nową, fioletową akcję uniku. Na tym nie koniec! Po wykonaniu pełnego manewru, dzięki swoim dostrojonym systemom sterowniczym, Delta-7 może wydać kolejny żeton Mocy, aby wykonać akcje przyspieszenia lub beczki).

It is clear, that it's an action, which is fueled by spending Force tokens. The article says nothing about evade action being an additional, bonus action.

18 minutes ago, Jedu said:

Yeah, I'm Polish. And also, by the matter of fact, a lawyer So I'm used to reading rules and stuff

And the part about evades, in my translation, says:

Jedi taking seat in Delta-7 cockpits not only have quite a large number of actions at their disposal, but also are able to spend a Force token in order to perform the new, purple evade action . That's not everything yet! After performing a complete manouver, thanks to their precise steering systems, Delta-7 may spend another Force token, in order to perform boost or barrel roll action.

(Originally: Jedi zasiadający w kokpitach Delty-7 nie dość, że dysponują całkiem pokaźną liczbą dostępnych akcji, to na dodatek mogą wydać żeton Mocy, aby wykonać nową, fioletową akcję uniku. Na tym nie koniec! Po wykonaniu pełnego manewru, dzięki swoim dostrojonym systemom sterowniczym, Delta-7 może wydać kolejny żeton Mocy, aby wykonać akcje przyspieszenia lub beczki).

It is clear, that it's an action, which is fuled by spending Force tokens. The article says nothing about evade action being an additional, bonus action.

Thanks. That sounds very logical else those little 3/1 hull/shield ships are going to go bang very easily.

6 hours ago, Jedu said:

Jedi taking seat in Delta-7 cockpits not only have quite a large number of actions at their disposal, but also are able to spend a Force token in order to perform the new, purple evade action . That's not everything yet! After performing a complete manouver, thanks to their precise steering systems, Delta-7 may spend another Force token, in order to perform boost or barrel roll action.

That doesn't really clear up the confusion with regards to the purple evade being in addition to any of the other actions or the ship's action for the turn. We already knew it was an action and there aren't really limits on the number of actions a ship can take provided it isn't duplicating actions.

As to token stacking though I don't think it will be an every turn thing even if purple evade is a in 1st Ed. terms "free action." There is only one force regeneration per turn. There will still need to be some planning and management.

18 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

That doesn't really clear up the confusion with regards to the purple evade being in addition to any of the other actions or the ship's action for the turn. We already knew it was an action and there aren't really limits on the number of actions a ship can take provided it isn't duplicating actions.

As to token stacking though I don't think it will be an every turn thing even if purple evade is a in 1st Ed. terms "free action." There is only one force regeneration per turn. There will still need to be some planning and management.

I agree—it doesn’t make them overpowered so long as they’re priced fairly, and the wording there just doesn’t state it plainly to be a normal action that requires that added cost.

I’m not expecting anything at this point, I’m sure the ship will be a fine chassis regardless, I just don’t find any evidence to be damning yet.

On 2/2/2019 at 8:17 PM, SpiderMana said:

The  same person who was translating the article said that  he received outside confirmation that it was the normal action, and his source apparently has a good track record. So I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. 

Heh, that would be me then?

I wrote with Rebel.pl's (the polish distributor for the game, the origin of the spoiler article) representative responsible for the X-Wing franchise. He told me that purple actions are indeed regular actions with additional spend-a-force drawback.

Now, Rebel.pl had been bought by Asmodee some time last year (here's one article I've found in English, by now the deal has been made) so our company is now 'colleagues' with FFG. And Polish market gets fully translated X-wing products, so our team has to be on the same page with the Devs to offer faithful translations.

Of course FFG is free to alter the deal any time they want to, but remember that production of all the components takes some time, so by now some elements are most likely already in the print.

Just my 3 cents to make things clear on this front. Cheers.

5 minutes ago, ryfterek said:

Just my 3 cents to make things clear on this front. Cheers.

Right, and thank you.

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong. But some people are saying the article is clear on the matter, when it really isn't.

I'm not expecting you to be misinformed somehow, aaaaall I'm saying is that I wouldn't mind 😜

Bless me!" said Thorin, "haven’t you got a map? and didn’t you hear our song? and haven’t we been talking about all this for hours?"

"All the same, I should like it all plain and clear," said he obstinately, putting on his business manner (usually reserved for people who tried to borrow money off him),

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Can't really say what brought that passage to mind just now.

Here's the thing: whether or not the article is 100% clear, there is exactly 0% evidence for anything fancy, like Purple actions being in-addition to normal actions or working while stressed.

11 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Here's the thing: whether or not the article is 100% clear, there is exactly 0% evidence for anything fancy, like Purple actions being in-addition to normal actions or working while stressed.

The evidence is episode 2, where the delta looks pretty dodgy, so seems like it should have a white evade or better (I don't personally think it will be an "extra" action at this is point, just playing devil's advocate).

12 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Here's the thing: whether or not the article is 100% clear, there is exactly 0% evidence for anything fancy, like Purple actions being in-addition to normal actions or working while stressed.

I agree. I'm inclined to think it will be the ship's action for the turn since ryfterek seems confident of that and it seems most in line with stated design aims.

By the same token though purple actions are new so the evidence that Force Actions will not be "free actions" in the 1st Ed. sense isn't much more than, "That seems to powerful and like what we were trying to get away from."

41 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

By the same token though purple actions are new so the evidence that Force Actions will not be "free actions" in the 1st Ed. sense isn't much more than, "That seems to powerful and like what we were trying to get away from."

Not really.

There's never been an action which hasn't actually been an action. The closest equivalent are linked actions, and there's no reason an Aethersprite couldn't have had a linked purple Evade after all their actions, like how the TIE/SF has linked Rotates.

There's far more evidence to "this is going to be like everything else we've seen in the entire history of X-Wing." That evidence is: everything else we've seen in the entire history of X-Wing.

I'm sorry - "dank"?

1 hour ago, mazz0 said:

I'm sorry - "dank"?

As in, "damp and musty." NOT the condition you want cards and cardboard components to be in.

1 hour ago, mazz0 said:

I'm sorry - "dank"?

Pot head slang for "**** good".

10 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

As in, "damp and musty." NOT the condition you want cards and cardboard components to be in.

^ closer to reality of what they are.

4 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Pot head slang for "**** good".

Huh. I honestly didn't know it was supposed to be a positive adjective.

4 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Huh. I honestly didn't know it was supposed to be a positive adjective.

Depends on the circles you end up in so I'm not surprised.

Yeah I’ve been meaning to ask if it was meant negatively, because every time I see this thread’s title I’m reminded of how confused I am that somebody thinks the currently accepted ruling on purple actions is cool for them.

2 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

Yeah I’ve been meaning to ask if it was meant negatively, because every time I see this thread’s title I’m reminded of how confused I am that somebody thinks the currently accepted ruling on purple actions is cool for them.

They're worried about defensive token stacking and feel it needs to have a cost above what a normal action does or it will be too potent.

12 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

They're worried about defensive token stacking and feel it needs to have a cost above what a normal action does or it will be too potent.

Oh I get that. The title just doesn’t sound like “hey good thing this isn’t OP” it sounds like “hey this thing is really cool.”

1 minute ago, SpiderMana said:

Oh I get that. The title just doesn’t sound like “hey good thing this isn’t OP” it sounds like “hey this thing is really cool.”

Which is what the OP is presenting. Or it could have been ment as satire.

It's funny. If this was a red evade, I don't think it would have generated anywhere near as much talk as it has.

I think a white evade would be too strong and this ship has a theme of what would normally cost a stress, costs force instead. So I think it is fine.

What does dank mean.. is it good or bad?

1 minute ago, william1134 said:

What does dank mean.. is it good or bad?

8 posts above yours.

Dank does not necessarily correspond to potheads. In meme culture, it refers to niche, underappreciated by the masses, and thereby to be enjoyed by the inner circles of those who better understand the material. Although part of that influence was from potheads, it also had an etymology regarding the dankness of a musty (not necessarily weed-infested) basement from which one would browse message boards.

For instance, "Ugandan Knuckles" was hilariously dank when it existed only within the circles who were aware of VR chat: the concept of trolls absolutely rendering any normal chatroom completely useless with this bizarre character satisfied Schadenfreude in the manner prank phone calls would, except the complete absurdity of the event and the off-guard reaction were similar to the surreal harassing to be found within Eric Andre's stunts. It was no longer dank when more people found out about it and thought "durr, funny meme" thereby ignoring its original context and why it is funny to attempt to force humor. It obviously didn't work, and was cringey as all ****, for it was not funny because of any of its parts, but funny because of its context. It would be the equivalent of purchasing tickets to see Eric Andre do his batshit shenanigans on a stage where everyone involved expects it: lame and unfunny because it has been from isolated what has made it funny [that is also the reason why when searching for guests in the talk show majority of the show, the crew are active to filter away those who are aware of Eric Andre, although that cannot be guaranteed]. Ugandan Knuckles became even more abhorrent and unfunny when the mainstream took this concept of "it must be funny by itself, so slapping it onto something will make that something funny" to a depressing extreme when people used it for clickbait, advertising, PSA's, and all that garbage. It was no longer dank.

For an X-wing equivalent of that which was dank: Sheathipeades were underrated when they were previewed. Although Ghost-Fenn was an atrocity, the construction of it was none other than a work of ingenuity. When people copy that list in having not made it and just place it on the table and auto-win, isolated from the ingenuity that generated it, it was no longer dank. It was unfair, cringey, and ******. Flying it also revealed how you perceive the game.

-Edit- Apparently, batshit is not censored but reeeeeeee!tard is.

44 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

8 posts above yours.

Actually, 1 post beneath yours.