Let's say I have Leia on a VCX piloted by Hera. I use Leia's charges and reveal a red 1 hard. Does that still count as revealing a red maneuver for the purposes of Hera's ability or is it considered white, thus denying the opportunity to change maneuver?
Edited by HarlaanNope. Once you've activated Leia crew her ability is not optional.
I think you’d be able to pick any white maneuver tho....
6 minutes ago, JBFancourt said:I think you’d be able to pick any white maneuver tho....
After you reveal a red or blue maneuver, you may set your dial to another maneuver of the same difficulty.
Why? Hera's ability doesn't work on white manoeuvres, and you revealed a white manoeurve, not a red one.
1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:After you reveal a red or blue maneuver, you may set your dial to another maneuver of the same difficulty.
Why? Hera's ability doesn't work on white manoeuvres, and you revealed a white manoeurve, not a red one.
It’s 2 reasons. (1) did you reveal a red maneuver? Yes
You can then switch to same difficulty. Leia reduces your red to a white. So opens all white.
So does revealing a red 1 maneuver count? Or does it count as revealing a white maneuver?
1: no, you didn't. Leia makes all your red moves white. You can't have it both ways.
At the start of the Activation Phase, you may spend 3 . During this phase, each friendly ship reduces the difficulty of its red maneuvers.
This is not an optional effect, and it works regardless of whether the move is revealed or not. You don't HAVE red moves when Leia is in effect.
So I guess the question is: did revealing the physical red activate the trigger? Then it’s made easier?
You still revealed a red tho. It’s just executed as a white
No.
You reduced the difficulty of your reds. They are no longer red.
In the same way as equipping a R4 astromech changes your dial, means you don't have your normal colour moves, you have one colour easier at the relevant speeds.
Whilst leia is in effect, imagine every one of your dials has white-out painted over the red bits.
Edited by thespaceinvader1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:No.
You reduced the difficulty of your reds. They are no longer red.
Yeah, I could see it going the other way too.
2 minutes ago, JBFancourt said:Yeah, I could see it going the other way too.
Yeah but it doesn't.
3 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:No.
You reduced the difficulty of your reds. They are no longer red.
Yeah, I could see it going the other way too.
If the language was execute then yes, but this is based on revealing the dial.
If leia only changed the manoeuvre that was revealed, it might, but she changes every red move in your squad, regardless of whether it's revealed or not.
She changes them before they are revealed, as soon as her ability is used.
Just now, thespaceinvader said:Yeah but it doesn't.
Depending on the TO
Just now, JBFancourt said:Depending on the TO
If the TO rules that it does, they're wrong.
Just now, thespaceinvader said:If the TO rules that it does, they're wrong.
Haha... the Post has HOT by it because we’re posting so many. Lol 😂
11 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:She changes them before they are revealed, as soon as her ability is used.
This is the important bit, by the by. Leia applies a blanket change to all red moves, regardless of whether they're revealed, before they're revealed. She doesn't say when revealed, or when you execute, she applies from the start of the activation phase onwards. During that phase, no ship friendly to her HAS red moves.
@thespaceinvader
is right. of course, it always depends on a TO, but RAW all red maneuvers in your squad are white during the activation you've triggered leias ability, so hera cannot use her ability for red maneuvers during that activation.
of course it could be ruled otherwise, but don't ever expect it to, especially not in a bigger tournament or if your TO is at least semi competent.
There's also another way to resolve the discussion here. There are no red moves to change your dial to.
She dials in a 1-hard, even if it was still red for the purposes of Hera's ability (it isn't--it's white), then there isn't a single red move on Hera's dial to turn to. Leia turned everything else white. Hera can't turn her dial to the 4-K-Turn, since it's a white move, and Hera could only change to a red move. So Hera would be stuck on the 1-hard anyhow.
8 hours ago, theBitterFig said:There's also another way to resolve the discussion here. There are no red moves to change your dial to.
She dials in a 1-hard, even if it was still red for the purposes of Hera's ability (it isn't--it's white), then there isn't a single red move on Hera's dial to turn to. Leia turned everything else white. Hera can't turn her dial to the 4-K-Turn, since it's a white move, and Hera could only change to a red move. So Hera would be stuck on the 1-hard anyhow.
Ahh but it just says same difficulty... 😜
Different terminology... lol
10 minutes ago, JBFancourt said:Ahh but it just says same difficulty... 😜
Different terminology... lol
There are two cases.
Leia doesn't let Hera change to any white maneuver.
But it's all a moot point because, as @thespaceinvader has pointed out, Leia has turned every red move white before it is revealed.
14 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:There are two cases.
- If the final move is white, and the starting move is the same difficulty, then the starting move had to be white, so Hera couldn't trigger.
- Result: it doesn't work.
- If the starting move is red in order for Hera to trigger, but the Leia turned everything white, then there aren't any moves of the same red difficulty to turn to.
- Result: it doesn't work.
Leia doesn't let Hera change to any white maneuver.
But it's all a moot point because, as @thespaceinvader has pointed out, Leia has turned every red move white before it is revealed.
Idk why, but I feel like if I flip a dial and it’s red it triggers the ability. Spacey said I just need to paint them white. Lol 😆
But if it did count as flipping a red maneuver and triggered Hera, then Leia made it white, then you could. Hera doesn’t say another red it says same difficulty.
Probably just a mental block... something tactile about literally flipping a red maneuver that makes it feel wrong to say it’s white.