Hatin' Kanan with points update (no, I'm not @SpiderMana)

By JJH_BATMAN, in X-Wing

Well I'm just strait up stealing @SpiderMana 's list. But with the new point changes, his list comes out at 191, which means time to change it. Here are some ideas, and @SpiderMana please give your input:

Luke Skywalker — T-65 X-Wing 62
Proton Torpedoes 12
Servomotor S-foils 0
Ship Total: 74
Half Points: 37 Threshold: 3
Kanan Jarrus — VCX-100 Light Freighter 84
Hate 3
Dorsal Turret 2
Maul 11
Magva Yarro 8
Ezra Bridger 18
Ship Total: 126

Half Points: 63 Threshold: 7

Total: 200/200

2nd List: Corran instead of Luke????

Corran Horn — E-Wing 66
Advanced Sensors 10
R2-D2 6
Ship Total: 82
Half Points: 41 Threshold: 3
Kanan Jarrus — VCX-100 Light Freighter 84
Hate 3
Dorsal Turret 2
Maul 11
Ezra Bridger 18
Ship Total: 118

Half Points: 59 Threshold: 7

200/200

Ion Cannon is so much better, it's usually the difference between dealing 1 damage and dealing 0, you can drop D2 down to R4.

Seems good otherwise, much better than it used to be now that Proton Torps will hopefully be less common. Kind of annoying that I'd have to buy 2 conversion kits out of my faction to fly it, but I might proxy this up.

Edited by Tvboy
1 minute ago, Tvboy said:

Seems good otherwise, much better than it used to be now that Proton Torps will hopefully be less common. Kind of annoying that I'd have to buy 2 conversion kits out of my faction to fly it, but I might proxy this up.

Yeaaaaaaah I’m borrowing my buddy’s Maul and proxying Hate right now. I’m gonna wait for the Infiltrator to get my own copy of Hate unless I happen across someone with loads of FO stuff who doesn’t want their extra copy.

@JJH_BATMAN I’ll get back to you when I have time.

Two notes tonight on the basic build, and also—Corran is a good idea I might try as well.

1) I’m going to at least look at Ezra as a pilot, again? It was definitely not worth the points pre-28th, and I know he went up a touch in the Shuttles, but there’s enough extra room from Kanan slimming down I have to reconsider. Having an extra ship for Kanan to use his pilot ability with, paired with detaching that double-tap into a separate attack altogether, might just be worth it. (I was also wondering about coordinate helping this list—though the Sheathipede is the most expensive Ezra, I believe. Again, just tinkering.)

2) The VCX got its sensor slot back, and FCS is dirt cheap. I like Magva, but FCS might be a touch more reliable relative to its cost.

@Tvboy might be on to something too. I guess it just depends on how tight that extra two points is for you, as it is mathematically a more consistent damage dealer, if not as painful.

1 hour ago, Tvboy said:

Ion Cannon is so much better, it's usually the difference between dealing 1 damage and dealing 0, you can drop D2 down to R4  .

Seems good otherwise, much better than it used to be now that Proton Torps will hopefully be less common. Kind of annoying that I'd have to buy 2 conversion kits out of my faction to fly it, but I might proxy this up.

5 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

Two notes tonight on the basic build, and also—Corran is a good idea I might try as well.

1) I’m going to at least look at Ezra as a pilot, again? It was definitely not worth the points pre-28th, and I know he went up a touch in the Shuttles, but there’s enough extra room from Kanan slimming down I have to reconsider. Having an extra ship for Kanan to use his pilot ability with, paired with detaching that double-tap into a separate attack altogether, might just be worth it. (I was also wondering about coordinate helping this list—though the Sheathipede is the most expensive Ezra, I believe. Again, just tinkering.)

 2) The VCX got its sensor slot back, and FCS is dirt cheap. I like Magva, but FCS might be a touch more reliable relative to its cost.

@Tvboy might be on to something too. I guess it just depends on how tight that extra two points is for you, as it is mathematically a more consistent damage dealer, if not as painful.

Magva +FCS seems mean, but Magva's expensive. For the Corran list, dropping to a generic R2 mech gives you two points for FCS or to upgrade to Ion Cannon, while dropping to an R4 accounts for both. Also, a bid would be nice for Luke/Corran to have. Also looking at Ezra pilot, but @SpiderMana what other wingman would you fly?

I flew the Luke list tonight on Tabletop Simulator and lost, but I am not the best on things like TS and Vassal, I make mistakes more easily. Plus I told my friend (who I was playing against) ahead of time what I was flying, and so he kind of flew a direct counter to it.

The beauty of Kanan’s Wrath is that Luke and Corran... don’t want to arc-dodge. If the enemy shoots at anyone but Kanan, use Kanan’s ability to protect them. This list suffers if Kanan dies very fast, as he’s 2/3rds of the points. That’s why I like Luke (scary pilot ability) with a big gun aimed at them (Protorps), though again Corran intrigues me.

As for wingmen if I did go the Ezra shuttle route, I’ll be looking at a pair of A’s if they fit? Idk, it depends on the points. Again, haven’t looked at it much, just thinking. I doubt anything will top a heavy hitting ace, though.

Edit: Here’s the thread I posted my updated list in, in the Squad-building sub forum: (very similar to your first Luke there)

Edited by SpiderMana

My friend tried the Kanan build + 2 B-wings, don't know how it went. Two ships is better than one when it comes to Kanan's ability, but there is not much incentive to not shoot Kanan then. As @SpiderMana said, the list doesn't like it if Kanan dies fast.

2 minutes ago, JJH_BATMAN said:

My friend tried the Kanan build + 2 B-wings, don't know how it went. Two ships is better than one when it comes to Kanan's ability, but there is not much incentive to not shoot Kanan then. As @SpiderMana said, the list doesn't like it if Kanan dies fast.

Yeah... I want to fly him with 2 selfless B’s, but they don’t quite fit that way... Biggs or a pair of Selfless Y’s might be okay, though?

I did try a pair of double-tap Y’s, but he focused Kanan hard. ...he was also flying Gavin and a generic i4 E-Wing with Protorps on both, so uh. Kindof a hard counter to a VCX, really. Might have gone a touch better with decent flying, but it was my first game in a couple weeks so we’ll blame that.

1 hour ago, SpiderMana said:

I’m going to at least look at Ezra as a pilot, again? It was definitely not worth the points pre-28th, and I know he went up a touch in the Shuttles, but there’s enough extra room from Kanan slimming down I have to reconsider.

Ezra's bare cost has not changed on all three ships he pilots. Ship: Pre/post

TIE/In: 32/32

Sheathepede: 42/42

Attack Shuttle: 41/41

AP-1 (2) and Zeb (2) Sheaths increased as did Sabine Attack Shuttle (4) and Sabine TIE/Ln (2).

6 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

Ezra's bare cost has not changed on all three ships he pilots. Ship: Pre/post

TIE/In: 32/32

Sheathepede: 42/42

Attack Shuttle: 41/41

AP-1 (2) and Zeb (2) Sheaths increased as did Sabine Attack Shuttle (4) and Sabine TIE/Ln (2).

I think this is the same case as what happened with Kyle. I assumed the pilots were in the same order going down the list and thought Kyle had gotten an unnecessarily large increase, when it was actually Roark that went up more. 😜

Good to know, though, thanks!