@theBitterFig is exactly correct here... the models are different, the ship names are different, and from a legal, technical standpoint, they can't be substituted. The ships may have been interchangeable before, but they are not interchangeable any longer. The different sculpts (and yes, the Rebel and Resistance Falcons have very different details on them across the entire mini, not just the dish) each have their own corresponding dials, pilots, bases, and the like. As stated in the Tournament Regs (bold emphasis mine), "If a player’s ship has different versions in more than one faction, the player may use any version of the miniature and dial that match the full ship name when assembling a squad." A Rebel YT-1300 is a MODIFIED YT-1300, and as such, technically cannot be substituted for a Salvaged or Customized model (or vice versa).

He's also correct in that, in a real world scenario, anyone who rigidly enforces this is a jerk.

2 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

As different in rules as E-Wings and YV-666.

And where in the rules does it says that the E-Wing model is "this one"

1 minute ago, muribundi said:

And where in the rules does it says that the E-Wing model is "this one"

ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME?

ISTG this forum sometimes.

No I'm not, I'm not saying they are interchangeable, but it is a legitimate concerne, there is no rule about which model go with which ship.

How is a total new player supposed to know which falcon go with which ?

1 hour ago, muribundi said:

How is a total new player supposed to know which falcon go with which ?

The Rebel Falcon came with Rebel Pilots in a Rebel Box.

The Resistance Falcon came with Resistance Pilots in a Resistance Box.

Seems simple enough to me...? 🤔

49 minutes ago, emeraldbeacon said:

The Rebel Falcon came with Rebel Pilots in a Rebel Box.

The Resistance Falcon came with Resistance Pilots in a Resistance Box.

Seems simple enough to me...? 🤔

no. the rebel falcon came with rebel pilots in a rebel box. the resistance falcon also came with rebel pilots in a rebel box. the resistance and rebels were the same faction - rebels.

1 minute ago, meffo said:

no. the rebel falcon came with rebel pilots in a rebel box. the resistance falcon also came with rebel pilots in a rebel box. the resistance and rebels were the same faction - rebels.

Resistance was a distinct subfaction with pilots being marked as such.

2 hours ago, emeraldbeacon said:

@theBitterFig is exactly correct here... the models are different, the ship names are different, and from a legal, technical standpoint, they can't be substituted. The ships may have been interchangeable before, but they are not interchangeable any longer. The different sculpts (and yes, the Rebel and Resistance Falcons have very different details on them across the entire mini, not just the dish) each have their own corresponding dials, pilots, bases, and the like. As stated in the Tournament Regs (bold emphasis mine), "If a player’s ship has different versions in more than one faction, the player may use any version of the miniature and dial that match the full ship name when assembling a squad." A Rebel YT-1300 is a MODIFIED YT-1300, and as such, technically cannot be substituted for a Salvaged or Customized model (or vice versa).

He's also correct in that, in a real world scenario, anyone who rigidly enforces this is a jerk.

while i do agree with your line of reasoning, i disagree with your conclusion. the models from the millennium falcon expansion pack and the heroes of the resistance expansion packs don't have different names officially, they are simply different sculpts of the same ship. so from a legal, technical standpoint, they can be substituted any which way you like. they do have different dials in second edition, but the dials don't belong to a specific miniature, the dials belong to a ship card and is represented on the board by a miniature.

this is also from the tournament regulations:

"Players are welcome and encouraged to personalize their squads according to the following rules:
• Players may paint their ship miniatures. They cannot modify a ship miniature in any way that would create confusion about which ship the miniature represents."

again, the legality of components comes down to whether it could create confusion about which ship the miniature represents. again, this time quoted. "Nonessential components are components for which substitutions are generally allowed as long as they are appropriate and clear in purpose."

you may interpret "the player may use any version of the miniature and dial that match the full ship name when assembling a squad" as forcing and precise as you like, but a ship miniature matching the full ship name will continue to be extremely subjective and in any case not 100% clear, at least in light of the other rules about modifying miniatures or using third party nonessential components.

2 hours ago, Innese said:

Resistance was a distinct subfaction with pilots being marked as such.

agreed. it's still the same ship though. says so right here: https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/x-wing/products/heroes-resistance-expansion-pack/

"Featuring new sculpts for the Millennium Falcon and Poe Dameron’s black-and-orange T-70 X-wing,"

it's a new sculpt. not a different ship.

oh, hmm... just so i don't forget: i love you guys.

wow. that was awkward.

1 hour ago, emeraldbeacon said:

The Rebel Falcon came with Rebel Pilots in a Rebel Box.

The Resistance Falcon came with Resistance Pilots in a Resistance Box.

Seems simple enough to me...? 🤔

It is not a rule, it is "common" knowledge and assumption. A new player would still have absolutely not way to know that. This is a clear omission in the rules, or contrary to what everyone imply here, they just don't care as long as it is clear what you run.

1 hour ago, muribundi said:

It is not a rule, it is "common" knowledge and assumption. A new player would still have absolutely not way to know that. This is a clear omission in the rules, or contrary to what everyone imply here, they just don't care as long as it is clear what you run.

Except, a new player would still have to get the ships somehow... meaning getting the First Edition versions, with the faction markings on the box. Yes, people may buy the models separately from the cards... but that isn't how FFG distributes them to retailers. From FFG's perspective, the new player should already know what factions their ships belong to... and if someone is buying something from a third party, it's the responsibility of the buyer and seller to do their homework, know exactly what they have, and represent it as such.

23 minutes ago, emeraldbeacon said:

Except, a new player would still have to get the ships somehow... meaning getting the First Edition versions, with the faction markings on the box. Yes, people may buy the models separately from the cards... but that isn't how FFG distributes them to retailers. From FFG's perspective, the new player should already know what factions their ships belong to... and if someone is buying something from a third party, it's the responsibility of the buyer and seller to do their homework, know exactly what they have, and represent it as such.

Still not a rules, still common knowledge and assumption

Previously it was TIE Advance and TIE Advance Prototype

Now it is TIE Advance x1 and TIE Advance v1. Which rules state which one are what

19 minutes ago, muribundi said:

Still not a rules, still common knowledge and assumption

Previously it was TIE Advance and TIE Advance Prototype

Now it is TIE Advance x1 and TIE Advance v1. Which rules state which one are what

What’s your point?

On 1/31/2019 at 12:32 AM, muribundi said:

Still not a rules, still common knowledge and assumption

Previously it was TIE Advance and TIE Advance Prototype

Now it is TIE Advance x1 and TIE Advance v1. Which rules state which one are what

Conversion kits says, what 1.0 ships (models) you can convert with a given kit. So, you can convert Tie Advance and prototype with imperial kit, the new names of those ships are x1 and v1, and ships you need from 1.0 to convert those are named adv. and adv. prototype in their 1.0 boxes.

Resistance and Rebel conv. kits convert 1.0 ships, you need models that are named yt-1300 in the 1.0 edition, thats all the conversion kit says (its listed on the back of the conv. kit box), nothing about pilots that were in the 1.0 pack or anything about subfaction or something, yt-1300, thats all. From the 1.0 player perspective, i bought rebel ships and 1.0 and with conversion kit i should be able to convert those- names match. And no, you cant use tie/fo as tie/ln etc. as names of those ships was different in 1.0 and imperial/fo conv. kits list those as separate ship (and model) types for those factions.

AND, if the original faction is a thing (not a ship model name in 1.0) then you CANT USE 1.0 FIRESPRAY with the conv. kit, as the model is only aviable with imperial expansion (i know, that there was 1.0 "conv. kit" but the model itself is imperial one. But if we accept that 1.0 conv. kit for that shipt makes it scum aviable in 1.0, then both falcons were rebel aviable in 1.0 aswell). Same with HWK

On 2/3/2019 at 9:38 AM, tibipl said:

Conversion kits says, what 1.0 ships (models) you can convert with a given kit. So, you can convert Tie Advance and prototype with imperial kit, the new names of those ships are x1 and v1, and ships you need from 1.0 to convert those are named adv. and adv. prototype in their 1.0 boxes.

Resistance and Rebel conv. kits convert 1.0 ships, you need models that are named yt-1300 in the 1.0 edition, thats all the conversion kit says (its listed on the back of the conv. kit box), nothing about pilots that were in the 1.0 pack or anything about subfaction or something, yt-1300, thats all. From the 1.0 player perspective, i bought rebel ships and 1.0 and with conversion kit i should be able to convert those- names match. And no, you cant use tie/fo as tie/ln etc. as names of those ships was different in 1.0 and imperial/fo conv. kits list those as separate ship (and model) types for those factions.

AND, if the original faction is a thing (not a ship model name in 1.0) then you CANT USE 1.0 FIRESPRAY with the conv. kit, as the model is only aviable with imperial expansion (i know, that there was 1.0 "conv. kit" but the model itself is imperial one. But if we accept that 1.0 conv. kit for that shipt makes it scum aviable in 1.0, then both falcons were rebel aviable in 1.0 aswell). Same with HWK

Still not a rules, there is no rules that say that the TIE Advance model must be used for TIE Advance x1 and that the TIE Advance Prototype model must be used for the TIE Advance v1. Only Common knowledge or looking at the small icon... Yes I know that these are seen as "granted" by everyone. But still there is no way to know which falcon go with which except if your a fan of start wars. The icon show the same ship...

And the point is, yes according to the letter of the rules, a judge could reject the "wrong" model being used for the falcon. But again by this same letter of the rules, there is absolutely nothing that say the square radar is for the resistance faction. Except if you know the lore... and use the card artistic representation that show the rectangular radar. I would not call that a clear cut reference for a judge to reject a model