Well if points don’t allow for an all Jedi starfightet squadron, at least I can count on “Dude” for some neat filler.

Thanks for the solid translation @ryfterek

Whats with all the giant red circles?

3 minutes ago, papy72 said:

Whats with all the giant red circles?

Pilots we can see in the spread but not in the article probably.

2 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

Well if points don’t allow for an all Jedi starfightet squadron, at least I can count on “Dude” for some neat filler.

Thanks for the solid translation @ryfterek

Now that we know what purple actions do at least we can estimate the cost of the pilots. I'd actually expect you to be able to fit no less than five Jedi Knights into a squad, considering the very comparable Inquisitor is 38 points.

• Similar statline, slight edge to Inquisitor due to better hull/shield ratio.
• Similar upgrade bar, slight edge to Jedi Knight with astromech over sensor and access to configs.
• Similar action bar, but different ways of performing them. The Inquisitor can boost/roll, focus and keep its force. The Jedi Knight has worse action economy, but greater flexibility, in that it can boost and roll, or combine either with a lock, at the cost of a force.
• Both ships have access to the same moves, with the Inquistor getting 2-trolls and blue 1-turns, while the Jedi Knight gets 3-sloops and blue 2-banks.

All in all these ships should have about the same cost. I'd expect the Jedi Knight to come in a 36-40 points.

27 minutes ago, Okapi said:

Now that we know what purple actions do at least we can estimate the cost of the pilots. I'd actually expect you to be able to fit no less than five Jedi Knights into a squad, considering the very comparable Inquisitor is 38 points.

• Similar statline, slight edge to Inquisitor due to better hull/shield ratio.
• Similar upgrade bar, slight edge to Jedi Knight with astromech over sensor and access to configs.
• Similar action bar, but different ways of performing them. The Inquisitor can boost/roll, focus and keep its force. The Jedi Knight has worse action economy, but greater flexibility, in that it can boost and roll, or combine either with a lock, at the cost of a force.
• Both ships have access to the same moves, with the Inquistor getting 2-trolls and blue 1-turns, while the Jedi Knight gets 3-sloops and blue 2-banks.

All in all these ships should have about the same cost. I'd expect the Jedi Knight to come in a 36-40 points.

Then again, for a solid while, RZ-2's were considerably cheaper than RZ-1's...

Moreover, in my opinion, what's missing still in this solid analysis of yours is the factor of "Faction identity". Empire is definitely not the "Force User Swarm" faction of the game. Republic is. So I wouldn't be surprised if it excels better than the Empire at building such a list.

39 minutes ago, papy72 said:

Whats with all the giant red circles?

FFG is apparently region-locking the images so that you can only view them in Poland. However, if you just right-click on the image and open it in a new tab it works just fine.

6 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

FFG is apparently region-locking the images so that you can only view them in Poland. However, if you just right-click on the image and open it in a new tab it works just fine.

Oh, had no idea these may not be visible for the rest of the community. But I guess you know the generic stats of both ships by now, and the arts would be a bit cumbersome to put in words as a description of each pilot... 😅

7 minutes ago, ryfterek said:

Oh, had no idea these may not be visible for the rest of the community. But I guess you know the generic stats of both ships by now, and the arts would be a bit cumbersome to put in words as a description of each pilot... 😅

Yeah, seems silly to region lock them in the first place...clearly they release these articles at different times to encourage exactly this kind of friendly community collaboration. I went back to try the right click thing, and it looks like half of them are unlocked now.

1 hour ago, ryfterek said:

Sadly, it's the option no. 1. Have been confirmed by our national (PL) distributor whom I've asked directly about it.

Why would your distributor know anything more about this than anyone else...?

7 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

Why would your distributor know anything more about this than anyone else...?

Well, given that:

1. We've got a 100 % translated product available, that include articles, rulebooks, inserts, cards, dials, etc. That has to be prepared for production, packaging, and shipment ahead of time so that our release is in sync with the global one - our distributor's team responsible for the X-Wing products naturally has to be in the tight loop with the FFG team not to screw things up massively in translation. But by now it's probably simply because the spokesperson I referred to must have seen some versions the GotR Pack's rules insert dozens of times as a part of the Quality Control.
2. Because no-one anywhere else I've seen so far actually knew a thing about it - just a fair amount of guesswork and theorycrafting.
3. He's tightly cooperating with the community ever since 2.0 has been introduced in the news and never mislead us in any of the sneak-peeks.

Imma trust him.

33 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

FFG is apparently region-locking the images so that you can only view them in Poland. However, if you just right-click on the image and open it in a new tab it works just fine.

Didn't work for me. That just opened up the red circle image file.

4 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Didn't work for me. That just opened up the red circle image file.

Hmm, it works for me- at least on iPhone. Maybe “open link in new tab”?

2 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Didn't work for me. That just opened up the red circle image file.

Well, just head to the original article to admire the arts! Meanwhile, I've found out the proper V-19 Clones names were hidden in plain sight in the filenames of their images!

Say hello to: Kickback, Odd Ball, Swoop, Axe, and Tucker!

I've updated the original post with translations.

12 minutes ago, ryfterek said:

Imma trust him.

Goootcha. I didn’t realize “distributor” in this case also meant being so heavily involved in the production process. Makes sense, I suppose.

I still think that’s a bull**** ruling for what purple actions do, but I guess Aethersprites just don’t need evasion 🤷‍♂️ At least there won’t be an extra tax for purple actions, so these guys will actually be relatively cheap compared to what I was thinking.

@ryfterek and @SpiderMana
Personally I will believe it when I see it from FFG in article about purple actions. You can pretty much mathematically prove evade is already worse than a focus on any ship with 3+ defense dice. The only times it wouldn't be is if you already had some other source of Focus-like modification (which admittedly the Aethersprite does in the Force), so taxing an already worse action just guarantees it will never get used. I mean seriously who the **** spends their action and a Force token to get an evade token on a 3 defense dice ship, versus keeping the Force token and getting a Focus, or Target Lock, or doing a reposition?

They can focus and then purple evade yes? The ability to token stack on 3 evade dice is pretty stinking good.

1 minute ago, gamblertuba said:

They can focus and then purple evade yes? The ability to token stack on 3 evade dice is pretty stinking good.

Except what we've been given an intel for in PL, they can't. Purple Evade is just like an ordinary Evade, except you also have to spend a force point to use it.

Hey, I too would love it to work some other way, but this intel is closest I've got to FFG confirmation before actual FFG confirmation.

48 minutes ago, GeneralVryth said:

@ryfterek and @SpiderMana
Personally I will believe it when I see it from FFG in article about purple actions. You can pretty much mathematically prove evade is already worse than a focus on any ship with 3+ defense dice. The only times it wouldn't be is if you already had some other source of Focus-like modification (which admittedly the Aethersprite does in the Force), so taxing an already worse action just guarantees it will never get used. I mean seriously who the **** spends their action and a Force token to get an evade token on a 3 defense dice ship, versus keeping the Force token and getting a Focus, or Target Lock, or doing a reposition?

I’m in total agreement with you.

20 minutes ago, ryfterek said:

Except what we've been given an intel for in PL, they can't. Purple Evade is just like an ordinary Evade, except you also have to spend a force point to use it.

Hey, I too would love it to work some other way, but this intel is closest I've got to FFG confirmation before actual FFG confirmation.

Yeah, no hard feelings, man. We just desperately want you to be wrong somehow 😅

Hm....could they make abilities or upgrades that you can only use if all your Force is already spent?

2 hours ago, ryfterek said:

Then again, for a solid while, RZ-2's were considerably cheaper than RZ-1's...

Moreover, in my opinion, what's missing still in this solid analysis of yours is the factor of "Faction identity". Empire is definitely not the "Force User Swarm" faction of the game. Republic is. So I wouldn't be surprised if it excels better than the Empire at building such a list.

Nevertheless, it is bizarre that the faction built upon the corpses of the 1000s strong Jedi Order is the 2nd most force sensitive.

From what we know, in order of force sensitive to least:

1: Republic: A ship with TIE-fighter number of pilots, all of them including the generics being force sensitive. That is before we get to crew!

2: Empire: 4 force user pilots, 2 force user crew that are not already pilots.

3: Rebel: 3 force user pilots, 1 force user that is not a pilot for the faction (Maul)

4: Separatists: 2 force user pilots (Maul and a guy whose name is obstructed but probably has force because his ability shows the symbol), and mother****ing Sauruman the White Christopher Lee as a crew member!

5: Scum and First Order: 1 force user pilot apiece, as well as 1 force user crew that is not a pilot

7: Resistance: 1 force user pilot. 0 force user crew that do not exist as that 1 pilot already.

Jedi are waaaaaayyyyy ahead of the playing field in terms of force sensitivity, but empire still has easy access to force as an option. But this disparity becomes more evident when we look at the availability of abundant force. Separatists have 1 force user with 3 force charges, as do Empire, and arguably rebels thanks to Luke's regen rate (and you could argue that rebels replicate the effect of another one based on Hate Kanaan's 4 charges). The Jedi have 3 pilots with 3 force apiece, and nicely spread across the initiative board (I6, I5, I4).

-Edit-. Although this more or less seems to be how the faction force-sensitivity breaks down, there is still exciting room to expand! Republic have an infinite depth-chart. The Empire can tap into its massive depth chart for more Inquisitors, force-sensitive Royal Guards, or even Emperor's hands to bolster their roster. Rebels unfortunately don't have a force-sensitive Leia, but perhaps they can get an Obi-wan. The Separatists should probably see Assajj and others at some point, but given that she probably won't have SNR's new checklist-for-viability of a Silencer dial, native boost and barrel roll, the primed thrusters slot, as well as initiative 5, she would be far too late to the party of being usable for Supernatural Reflexes (despite what we saw in the 2D Clone Wars cartoon). Resistance can have force-sensitive Leia and possibly Luke, but certainly the new order that Rey will be training. First Order might have some neat Knights of Ren.

Scum unfortunately seems left out atm.

Does the article show how many force charges Obi-Wan has?

11 minutes ago, ObiWan said:

Does the article show how many force charges Obi-Wan has?

Three, and he's init 5.

11 minutes ago, Ablazoned said:

Three, and he's init 5.

Awesome, thanks

And yet Saesee Tiin is I4.

Go figure.

48 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

And yet Saesee Tiin is I4.

Go figure.

Initiative isn’t called pilot skill any more for a reason 🤷‍♂️ Saesee’s ability (while it would be better at a higher initiative, sure) shows off his superior skill at actually flying a ship, while Obi-Wan’s ability shows his strength in the Force, which allows him to keep up with some of the better Jedi pilots.