The dev's have made SR unplayable and as of now nothing can really be played on Vader so give him a Talent slot so he can actually do something and not suck.

OMG, could you let this update get cold before you start courting its sister?

🤨 So he looses a TIE from his entourage. I fail to see the issue with costing that hyper synergistic combo this high.

Darth Vader — TIE Advanced x1 65

Supernatural Reflexes 32

Ship Total: 97

Half Points: 49 Threshold: 3

7 minutes ago, Darth evil said:

The dev's have made SR unplayable and as of now nothing can really be played on Vader so give him a Talent slot so he can actually do something and not suck.

Vader is still a nasty fighter, he just loses the pre-movement BR. You can still put Hate on him to recharge his Force, Heightened Perception to blast other I6s before they can shoot, or Sense to give your regular BRs a better chance of catching other I6s. Vader is still one of the best pilots in the game due to his ship ability, pilot ability, and Force points- you just have to think more when making a list and playing him.

I like the idea. Or just make Force Slot mean Force or talent? I'm a casual player updating my lists and the cost for SR on Vader is blowing my mind.

Was he dominating the meta? Can SR actually pull its weight at 32 points in the hands of a skilled player?

I'm asking scencerely since I make lists for me and my opponents so I like to make them fair/fun/thematic. Just trying to figure out how to build Vader now. I really like SR but man, 32?

2 minutes ago, DarthHenryAllen said:

I like the idea. Or just make Force Slot mean Force or talent? I'm a casual player updating my lists and the cost for SR on Vader is blowing my mind.

Was he dominating the meta? Can SR actually pull its weight at 32 points in the hands of a skilled player?

I'm asking scencerely since I make lists for me and my opponents so I like to make them fair/fun/thematic. Just trying to figure out how to build Vader now. I really like SR but man, 32?

SR is worth about half that much on Vader. It's unusable on him now. The only decent force power is now Hate.

1 hour ago, Ikka said:

Vader is still a nasty fighter, he just loses the pre-movement BR. You can still put Hate on him to recharge his Force, Heightened Perception to blast other I6s before they can shoot, or Sense to give your regular BRs a better chance of catching other I6s. Vader is still one of the best pilots in the game due to his ship ability, pilot ability, and Force points- you just have to think more when making a list and playing him.

how can i add either of those upgrades if i don't own anything FO ?

19 minutes ago, Darth evil said:

how can i add either of those upgrades if i don't own anything FO ?

I don't have FO (only Imp/Scum) and the only upgrade I don't have from those three is Hate.

22 minutes ago, Darth evil said:

how can i add either of those upgrades if i don't own anything FO ?

So you don't own a Core set I gather. Heightened Perception and Sense were in it.

It would be interesting to see talent and force upgrade slots interact but again could result in some broken gameplay if not careful.

But I would be all for Dart Vader getting both Talent slot with the Force slot, as long as Anikin Skywalker gets both as well.

2 hours ago, Darth evil said:

The dev's have made SR unplayable and as of now nothing can really be played on Vader so give him a Talent slot so he can actually do something and not suck.

Let the Hate flow through you...

No really, just run Hate. No force user needs a talent slot.

There is one reason we will never see Vader get a talent

Debris Gambit

I6 with reposition that can take Focus Evade every tuen, and have force charges to spare, is something I’m sure they are firm no on.

Because do you want to fight this 76 point monster?

Vader, FCS, Afterburners, Debris Gambit?

5 minutes ago, millertime059 said:

There is one reason we will never see Vader get a talent

Debris Gambit

I6 with reposition that can take Focus Evade every tuen, and have force charges to spare, is something I’m sure they are firm no on.

Because do you want to fight this 76 point monster?

Vader, FCS, Afterburners, Debris Gambit?

Yeah this, debris gambit breaks vader.

1 hour ago, millertime059 said:

There is one reason we will never see Vader get a talent

Debris Gambit

I6 with reposition that can take Focus Evade every tuen, and have force charges to spare, is something I’m sure they are firm no on.

Because do you want to fight this 76 point monster?

Vader, FCS, Afterburners, Debris Gambit?

Sure. I've long been a proponent of giving Vader a talent slot. He'll have to take a stress to get the evade token about half the time (which means it probably won't happen or makes him more predictable), and he will still go pop a fair amount of the time. This is still a ship that requires a ton of skill to pilot well. At the very least I would like for them to put it in and see how it turns out.

My thoughts are that AS only went up to 10. All you can use SR for is a BR or boost. 32 still seems a bit extreme.

There will be soon new force upgrade that can be used on Vader:

There is a force talent in Wave III that gives the pilot a purple coordinate action. Unless it costs 15+ points or has a nasty drawback, this'll be amazing on Vader, and thematic too.

I have thought sometimes that it will be very thematic if Vader could use Ruthless. Is the only Talent I will allow him to use