Coordinated Fire - 32 free aim tokens? yes please

By Orkimedes, in Star Wars: Legion

I thought I explained it well, I'll try it again. This time breaking it apart even using your interchangeable wording which I'm not disagreeing about the words, more about the overall meaning. It doesn't say Each friendly corps unit that spends, or anything along those lines. Just each time one spends an aim token which could be more than one. I'm not saying you spend 1 then gain 2, just saying spend 2 gain 2, spend 5 gain 5 as long as it is a friendly corps unit and the unit receiving is at range 1-2.

1. After 1 Friendly corps unit spends 1 aim token...

2. ... 1 other friendly unit at range 1-2 may gain 1 aim token.

Let's say I have 4 stormtrooper corp units, two of them has been given an aim token from Veers ability spotter 2 earlier on his activation, now I choose one of the stormtroopers with an face up order token and aim token.

I decide to use my first action to gain an aim token giving this unit 2 aim token. Then I use my second action to do a ranged attack on a rebel trooper range 2 away. I roll misses, so I use an aim token. (1.) (2.) I still have some dice results I want better, so I use another aim token. (1.) (2.) Which if given to the same other unit, it now has two aim tokens since I spent two aim tokens with a friendly corps unit and the other unit was range 1-2 away.

1 hour ago, Asmo said:

Tokous - Actually it does.

Re-read the definition of what "an" means. Go on, open up your favourite dictionary if you don't believe me.

One or lone.

How do you get multiple of anything from 1?

Also "another" literally means "one other". So it does say how many other units can gain 1 aim token

Orkimedes - the whole sentence uses singular context. This is how you should be comprehending that sentence.

After a (singular) friendly corps unit (singular again) spends an (one or lone) aim token (again singular), another (one other) friendly unit (singular again) at range 1-2 may gain 1 (singular) Aim token (singular again).”

Nothing in that sentence is plural.

I’m not saying anything differently. I think we agree that you get one free aim token each time you spend one. I guess I’m not sure what point you are trying to make.

Both missing the point again.

1 + 1 = 2 (just for now forget about a third or fourth aim token)

2 does not = one nor does it equal lone.

Neither of you can describe your actions by transfering a second (or more) aim token without using the word "another", second or each time.

None of these words appear on the card, show me where on the card it says you can do it again?

Asmo i think for your interpretation to be correct the command card would have to say 'once per activation'.

As is, you spend the aim token, resolve its effects including transfer via the command card.

Got a second (or more) aim token? Feel free to repeat the whole process as many times as you have aim tokens.

There is nothing, at all, on the card that limits the number of times you can do this. Spend an aim token, pass it. You are spending ONE aim token, and then passing ONE aim token. The next time you do so, you are still spending ONE aim token, then passing ONE aim token.

This is also a case of intentionally trying to reinterpret a rule that the community at large has accepted, and even played the largest tournament to date with. If the game designers had intended it to be used differently (besides wording it in a way to make that clear, like they did with the Rebel equivalent), they could have easily released an errata or FAQ post before LVO explaining it was "once per activation" or something along those lines.

On 2/17/2019 at 9:00 PM, Asmo said:

Tokous - Actually it does.

Re-read the definition of what "an" means. Go on, open up your favourite dictionary if you don't believe me.

One or lone.

How do you get multiple of anything from 1?

Also "another" literally means "one other". So it does say how many other units can gain 1 aim token

Orkimedes - the whole sentence uses singular context. This is how you should be comprehending that sentence.

After a (singular) friendly corps unit (singular again) spends an (one or lone) aim token (again singular), another (one other) friendly unit (singular again) at range 1-2 may gain 1 (singular) Aim token (singular again).”

Nothing in that sentence is plural.

Plural doesn't really come into play on this, as the command card effect has no limiter. One of the cardinal rules of game systems is do what the card says, not what it doesn't say. At no point in the command cards wording does say "you may only pass this token once" or "once per round". So we have established that each time an aim token is spent by a corp unit, it may then get passed to another friendly unit at range 1-2.

The rules also allow you to spend as many aim tokens as you have to re-roll dice (Rules Reference Pg 13). Each token spent is a separate instance (spend an aim token and re-roll up to 2 dice), which then triggers the command card effect, which then lets you pass an aim token. If you only have 1 aim token, you have nothing else to pass so the dice mods end. But if you have another aim token, you can spend it, which lets you re-roll up to 2 dice, which then triggers the command card, etc.

Without qualifiers like "once per round" or even "1 or more" there are no limits to the amount of tokens you can pass. If you had 300 aim tokens, with the current wording on the cards, you could spend 300 of them and pass those 300 out to any/all friendly units within Range 1-2.

It is ridiculous and seems like an obvious loophole but RAW it all fits. If FFG deems it a problem, they'll update the appropriate documents to change it, but for now you can pass as many aim tokens as you can spend.

Edited by Simonsays3
For clarity - thanks @caimheul1313!

@Simonsays3 Slight correction: when you spend an Aim token you "can spend one or more aim tokens to re-roll up to two dice for each aim token spent" (emphasis mine), allowing a player to spend an Aim token and re-roll zero dice. Otherwise I agree with you.

1 minute ago, Caimheul1313 said:

@Simonsays3 Slight correction: when you spend an Aim token you "can spend one or more aim tokens to re-roll up to two dice for each aim token spent" (emphasis mine), allowing a player to spend an Aim token and re-roll zero dice. Otherwise I agree with you.

My apologies, thank you for clarifying my post - I've updated accordingly :D

On 2/18/2019 at 2:30 AM, Asmo said:

Both missing the point again.

1 + 1 = 2 (just for now forget about a third or fourth aim token)

2 does not = one nor does it equal lone.

Neither of you can describe your actions by transfering a second (or more) aim token without using the word "another", second or each time.

None of these words appear on the card, show me where on the card it says you can do it again?

This....

just isn't how games work. No game designer puts that much thought into the word "an" or expects the players to determine such from one word. As mentioned before, if the game doesn't say you can't specifically do a thing, you probably can.

Edited by crx3800