3 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

To be fair, in the Star Wars universe medical treat has become fairly simple for basically every injury: apply bacta. Combat first aid boils down to either injecting bacta, or applying a bacta patch over the wound.

Yeah. There's another solution too. You could carry the correct weird chemically treated sponges or whatever that should be used on your species, and if you get shot someone uses it on you. Therefore you always get medically correct stuff for your species, used on you. Also this rations medical supplies appropriately even within one species. You don't want everyone using up all the gauze on one guy and then have someone else get shot too. Everybody carries one big bacta impregnated adhesive sterile pad or something. Training is you take it out of their pocket, peel it open, press it over the biggest hole in them, and call for a medivac.

32 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

As to "the soldier that carries the bacta" comment, an individual first aid kit is part of standard military issue, at the very least in the form of a pressure bandage. US Airborne paratroopers in WW2 dropped with ampules of morphine, a packet of sulpha, and a pressure bandage. A bacta patch and injector would be around the same size. The point of first aid in the field is to keep people alive long enough to get to a field hospital, which has bacta tanks and medical droids.

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And that's fair, the problem being that like morphine, sulpha, and a pressure bandage, a simple bacta patch and injector wouldn't last long, nor would it be the end all and be all of first aid. I don't see a bacta patch being used to stop major bleeding, and unless the Disneyverse has changed the effect, Bacta patches usually have to be swapped pretty regularly. Different species would have their blood vessels at different points, and what's acceptable for some species would likely kill others. Tourniquets are a prime example. Once upon a time, they were to be used in emergencies only. Now, they're the first thing soldiers are trained to do. That's fine... for humans. Other species might or might not have a different reaction, and it could cause serious issues. If a Rodian was hemorrhaging, the tourniquet that saves a human could kill him, or a least cause them to loose their limb.

12 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

I don't know who those are. When I hear "Captain Rex" I still think of the droid pilot from Star Tours.

Two different Clone troopers, with the latter based off of the former. After your time, I guess.

4 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Yeah. There's another solution too. You could carry the correct weird chemically treated sponges or whatever that should be used on your species, and if you get shot someone uses it on you. Therefore you always get medically correct stuff for your species, used on you. Also this rations medical supplies appropriately even within one species. You don't want everyone using up all the gauze on one guy and then have someone else get shot too. Everybody carries one big bacta impregnated adhesive sterile pad or something. Training is you take it out of their pocket, peel it open, press it over the biggest hole in them, and call for a medivac.

That's actually the best solution, but again, that requires the other soldiers to be trained in using whatever chemically treated sponge is being carried, so they know how to apply it correctly. Speaking as someone who has been trained to do this, 90% of the time, even the "peel sticker, slap on" bandages are more complicated and can cause serious injury if used improperly.

4 minutes ago, Alpha17 said:

And that's fair, the problem being that like morphine, sulpha, and a pressure bandage, a simple bacta patch and injector wouldn't last long, nor would it be the end all and be all of first aid. I don't see a bacta patch being used to stop major bleeding, and unless the Disneyverse has changed the effect, Bacta patches usually have to be swapped pretty regularly. Different species would have their blood vessels at different points, and what's acceptable for some species would likely kill others. Tourniquets are a prime example. Once upon a time, they were to be used in emergencies only. Now, they're the first thing soldiers are trained to do. That's fine... for humans. Other species might or might not have a different reaction, and it could cause serious issues. If a Rodian was hemorrhaging, the tourniquet that saves a human could kill him, or a least cause them to loose their limb.

Good points. To be fair, we don't see many soldiers survive direct shots in the original films (only exceptions I know of are Luke being shot in the hand, and Leia in the shoulder both in ROTJ), including the armoured Stormtroopers, and losing a limb doesn't seem to be as much of an inconvenience in Star Wars than it is in the real world. For the most part, such "trivialities" as first aid tend to be glossed over unless it is important to the story as Star Wars a space opera, not hard sci-fi. A bacta patch/injector is as effective/lasts as long as the writer needs it to be for dramatic tension, so unless it becomes a plot point we aren't likely to receive an "official" answer. I do know that in the Clone Wars episode "The Deserter" Rex takes what we are told is a fairly major wound which is solely healed with IIRC a single bacta patch and bed rest.

24 minutes ago, Alpha17 said:

Other species might or might not have a different reaction, and it could cause serious issues.

Even humans from different planets could easily suffer fatal allergic reactions to the plant fibers in a bandage or something.

24 minutes ago, Alpha17 said:

so they know how to apply it correctly... even the "peel sticker, slap on" bandages are more complicated and can cause serious injury if used improperly.

Don't even get me started on epi-pen training for teenaged camp counselors...

8 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Good points. To be fair, we don't see many soldiers survive direct shots in the original films

We don't see them get up again onscreen. But lots of them could survive. Except that one ewok and his bereaved friend.

3 hours ago, Katarn said:

Oh no, I'm completely behind it being a rational scenario. It just sort of popped into my head with all the talk of 'Bacta heals all.'

Like Mr Stay Puft.

not people with bacta allergies though.

6 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

We don't see them get up again onscreen. But lots of them could survive. Except that one ewok and his bereaved friend.

16 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Good points. To be fair, we don't see many soldiers survive direct shots in the original films

the stormtrooper bodyglove distributes the heat so they basically get burned all over their body and fall unconcious. it's just that stormtrooper doctrine states that the area should be secured before medical treatment is administered.

In the X-wing book s Corran puts on a piece of stormtrooper plate and gets shot while lying on the ground near paralyzed he thinks hes dying because he can smell corellian brandy, not knowing he fell ontop of a crate of bottles when he fell over.

If you want different diversity paint the skin colours different, as mentioned above. I've got a Pandoran fleet leader and a couple Mirialans. The starwars.com database is a good place to look for inspiration.

ROTJ was supposed to have more diversity but Ralph Wiggum (aka Fox) had notes. Some of the species will take extra time to sculpt and were likely put off to see how the games reception was. No point making complicated molds for a flop but now that they know it isn't there will be more diversity.

18 minutes ago, Qualitypunk said:

I've got a Pandoran fleet leader

how did you get the legs and arms longer?

also the aliens on pandora are called the na'vi

I think I am sticking with some pan T orans

seems a lot more do-able

🤣

3 minutes ago, Geressen said:

how did you get the legs and arms longer?

also the aliens on pandora are called the na'vi

I think I am sticking with some pan T orans

seems a lot more do-able

🤣

Actually he was talking about the Raiders from Borderlands. A really dedicated conversion, hockey mask and all

10 hours ago, Lukez said:

Really surprised at the common comment "Well this squad has 1 female and 1 alien out of 7 so it's fine". I mean I guess I understand, but don't love, there being more humans than Aliens, but there is literally no reason that the humans shouldn't be 50% of each gender. Also more aliens would be great too. Each sculpt in a unit is unique so there is really nothing holding them back technical wise from doing this.

It's more than 1 of each though. A large chunk of the models for rebels are non male humans.

"Of the 7 members of the rebel infantry squad 3 of them are non male humans, almost 50%

Of the 7 members of the rebel commandos 4 of them are      non male humans, over 50% "

2 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

don't know who those are. When I hear "Captain Rex" I still think of the droid pilot from Star Tours.

I get that, still a fan of RX-24 myself as well. Alpha-17 was a Clone Trooper from the comics that was active during the galactic civil war, with him having been left alone on a planet until Luke and his group found them and he joined the alliance since Luke was a Jedi 'General'. Captain Rex is Anakin's Clone Commander, the head of the 501st who fought throughout the Clone Wars, removed his brain chip that prevented him from being compelled by Order 66 and disappeared during the Rise of the Empire until the Phoenix Cell brought him back into the fold with him joining the alliance.

2 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

I get that, still a fan of RX-24 myself as well. Alpha-17 was a Clone Trooper from the comics that was active during the galactic civil war, with him having been left alone on a planet until Luke and his group found them and he joined the alliance since Luke was a Jedi 'General'.

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No, that was Able. Alpha was the first ARC trooper we were introduced to, also in the comics, back during the original Assault on Kamino story arc. His look and role were given to Rex, who was originally supposed to be in the Clone Wars show, but the name was changed due to there being too many "A" names.

1 hour ago, Alpha17 said:

No, that was Able. Alpha was the first ARC trooper we were introduced to, also in the comics, back during the original Assault on Kamino story arc. His look and role were given to Rex, who was originally supposed to be in the Clone Wars show, but the name was changed due to there being too many "A" names.

Oh got the two mixed up, and didn't know he was originally planned for Clone Wars, that is pretty cool. Didn't read the comics so I generally think of Captain Fordo when I think of Arc Troopers, which without modding we won't be able to do up as a Arc Trooper considering Clone Wars seems to treat all Arc troopers as wearing Phase 2 prototype armor.

On 1/22/2019 at 3:17 PM, ndogg229 said:

Way more possibilities than those drab Imperials...

You are tempting me to make a 3rd imperial army. Paint two core sets in emerald green armor, and a matching Veers and Boba, call them The Green Dragoons.

Since Darth would get kicked out, I'd have to add in 200 points somehow. Maybe a green AT-ST or some green scout troopers.

11 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

Didn't read the comics so I generally think of Captain Fordo when I think of Arc Troopers, which without modding we won't be able to do up as a Arc Trooper considering Clone Wars seems to treat all Arc troopers as wearing Phase 2 prototype armor.

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Rex is pretty close (being based on Alpha, it makes sense) There are several 3D print options for ARC troopers, however. I've thought about running one as my generic Imperial officer but decided I'd wait until the Clone Wars stuff is announced before I try to fill in the gaps.

16 minutes ago, Alpha17 said:

Rex is pretty close (being based on Alpha, it makes sense) There are several 3D print options for ARC troopers, however. I've thought about running one as my generic Imperial officer but decided I'd wait until the Clone Wars stuff is announced before I try to fill in the gaps.

This is my issue with a lot of the 3D printed pirates. I know I'm going to collect the official equivalent if/when it's released anyways. Plus they're expensive and I don't have unlimited storage space.

Great points everyone! How silly of me to not think about canon, alien biological differences, and gender roles in a FANTASY miniatures table top game. It's almost like I forgot for a moment that none of those things matter to me, I'd just like more variety in the models considering they're based on a property with a whole galaxy of different species. I'll just take my token Duros and female trooper and go home. Obviously something like this:

(Credit: http://www.coolminiornot.com/429759 )

is not in the spirit of the Star Wars Universe at all. My bad \_(ツ)_/

30 minutes ago, ndogg229 said:

Great points everyone! How silly of me to not think about canon, alien biological differences, and gender roles in a FANTASY miniatures table top game. It's almost like I forgot for a moment that none of those things matter to me, I'd just like more variety in the models considering they're based on a property with a whole galaxy of different species. I'll just take my token Duros and female trooper and go home. Obviously something like this:

(Credit: http://www.coolminiornot.com/429759 )

is not in the spirit of the Star Wars Universe at all. My bad \_(ツ)_/

what are you talking about? everyone would like to have them like that but we don't but the newer ones have more aliens. and you can get 3d printed alien heads so it's okay.

I did not even know wookies could make so much whine.

28 minutes ago, ndogg229 said:

Great points everyone! How silly of me to not think about canon, alien biological differences, and gender roles in a FANTASY miniatures table top game. It's almost like I forgot for a moment that none of those things matter to me, I'd just like more variety in the models considering they're based on a property with a whole galaxy of different species. I'll just take my token Duros and female trooper and go home. Obviously something like this:

(Credit: http://www.coolminiornot.com/429759 )

is not in the spirit of the Star Wars Universe at all. My bad \_(ツ)_/

I mean, if I'm being blunt it actually is kind of silly to point out that plastic toy soldiers have no diversity, then backtrack on there not being enough diversity after being confronted with the fact that there actually is more than you pointed out.

It's also really silly to not point out the sweet 70's staches on those fleet troopers as this clearly denotes a proud and now dwindling race in it's prime.

34 minutes ago, ndogg229 said:

Great points everyone! How silly of me to not think about canon, alien biological differences, and gender roles in a FANTASY miniatures table top game. It's almost like I forgot for a moment that none of those things matter to me, I'd just like more variety in the models considering they're based on a property with a whole galaxy of different species. I'll just take my token Duros and female trooper and go home. Obviously something like this:

(Credit: http://www.coolminiornot.com/429759 )

is not in the spirit of the Star Wars Universe at all. My bad \_(ツ)_/

3 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

This is my issue with a lot of the 3D printed pirates. I know I'm going to collect the official equivalent if/when it's released anyways. Plus they're expensive and I don't have unlimited storage space.

Very true. Only way I can justify it to myself is that I can always paint the official one differently than I do the 3d print. Probably going to do something similar with Krennic; one in white and black to be the film's discount Tarkin, another in Imperial gray to actually look good.

1 hour ago, ndogg229 said:

Great points everyone! How silly of me to not think about canon, alien biological differences, and gender roles in a FANTASY miniatures table top game. It's almost like I forgot for a moment that none of those things matter to me, I'd just like more variety in the models considering they're based on a property with a whole galaxy of different species. I'll just take my token Duros and female trooper and go home. Obviously something like this:

is not in the spirit of the Star Wars Universe at all. My bad \_(ツ)_/

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Oh good lord. Want some cheese to go with that whine? My initial post even commented on how this was a game, and as such everything I said really didn't matter.

@ndogg229 You mean a photo of a group of miniatures modified by an individual who choose to take matters into their own hands and use paint and third party heads to convert their miniatures into something more their liking rather than complain on an online forum? Especially since they used readily available third party heads (which have been mentioned repeatedly in this topic) for relatively easy head swaps (saw/clip off head, sand neck to appropriate shape, glue on new head)?

References to canon or physiological differences vary from explaining why FFG is unlikely to make such a model kit to an analysis of the "in universe" difficulties inherent in mixed species units.

They're your minis, if you want your Stormtroopers to be pink with helmets shaped like cat heads, go ahead, I'm not going to stop you. If you want your Rebel units to be a mixture of species, again, be my guest. But that doesn't mean FFG isn't doing a decent job of representing the mix of races and genders in the average canon Rebel squad.