Do you know why Veteran Turret Gunner is not available for TIE/SF ?

4 minutes ago, Wedge Nantillais said:

Do you know why Veteran Turret Gunner is not available for TIE/SF ?

Because it isn't legal.

VTG needs a rotate turret action on the ship in order to be equipped. The sf only has linked rotate actions. This appears to be a deliberate design decision to stop people using VTG on it.

Thank you for this explanation.

1 hour ago, Gilarius said:

Because it isn't legal.

VTG needs a rotate turret action on the ship in order to be equipped. The sf only has linked rotate actions. This appears to be a deliberate design decision to stop people using VTG on it.

I mean, those should still count as turret actions... But it sorta' doesn't matter since you basically have VTG if you have SF Gunner.

1 hour ago, Captain Lackwit said:

I mean, those should still count as turret actions... But it sorta' doesn't matter since you basically have VTG if you have SF Gunner.

The rules specifically say linked actions don't count for action requirements, is why the distinction matters.

1 hour ago, svelok said:

The rules specifically say linked actions don't count for action requirements, is why the distinction matters.

That's...

That's really odd.

13 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

That's...

That's really odd.

It's another method they have for controlling what ships can get what upgrade. Hotshot gunner still works.

3 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

It's another method they have for controlling what ships can get what upgrade. Hotshot gunner still works.

oh geez that's really good if you're firing missiles huh

2 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

oh geez that's really good if you're firing missiles huh

It's better for when you're focusing fire to lead with the turret on the one with Hotshot. Hotshot strips the token after the Modify Defense dice step of the attack (making it a "use it or loose it" proposition for a target with tokens), so use it for setup then gut the target.

3 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

It's better for when you're focusing fire to lead with the turret on the one with Hotshot. Hotshot strips the token after the attack is finished, so use it for setup then gut the target.

Oof. I wouldn't even have thought of that.

It's especially nice since heavy weapons turret means you can fire missiles and still get the benefit - being able to lob a 3-dice bonus attack with cluster missiles is normally so-so at best (since you generally don't get any modifiers on the shot) but if you can throw that at someone and force them to discard a focus/calculate token in the process it becomes much more powerful, especially if the target(s) have stuff like proton rockets, barrage rockets or energy-shell charges they'll lose the ability to fire as a result..

Hum, sorry Magnus but I don't quite get this. Can you explain differently?

7 minutes ago, william1134 said:

Hum, sorry Magnus but I don't quite get this. Can you explain differently?

The /SF turns every forward faving arc arc missile into a turret arc missile, which means Hotshot will trigger when firing missiles!

That's pretty neat.

Edit: Doesn't work with homings if the defender chooses to take the damage. But clusters, ion or concussion works.

Clusters has the amazing benefit that you can strip two ships of their focus token!

8 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

being able to lob a 3-dice bonus attack with cluster missiles is normally so-so at best (since you generally don't get any modifiers on the shot) but if you can throw that at someone and force them to discard a focus/calculate token in the process it becomes much more powerful, especially if the target(s) have stuff like proton rockets, barrage rockets or energy-shell charges they'll lose the ability to fire as a result..

6 hours ago, william1134 said:

Hum, sorry Magnus but I don't quite get this. Can you explain differently?

So he's saying a 3 dice attack, like the one from cluster missiles, does decent damage, but not great because you can't usually modify your dice heavily. With Hotshot Copilot, you force the defender to discard their focus or calculate token, which doesn't make your attack stronger but it can make their defense weaker.

Additionally, if this hypothetical defender hasn't attacked yet and was hoping to use their Focus token for something like a proton rocket (which requires a Focus token to use), then you've also denied them the ability to do that by stripping them of that token.

Got it thank you!