The only problem with his Armada comparison is that in Armada he doesn't actually contribute anything but those tokens. For him to be an operative he'd have to be on a side, shooting dice. Unless you made his fully a noncomabtant.

On 1/19/2019 at 8:30 PM, Zrob314 said:

The only problem with his Armada comparison is that in Armada he doesn't actually contribute anything but those tokens. For him to be an operative he'd have to be on a side, shooting dice. Unless you made his fully a noncomabtant.

I could see Hondo operative in Legion contributing shooting dice, but at the same time I could see a mechanic where he seems to give both sides something (and a wise player can capitalize on it)

well all for him in the game as operative that multi faction but he has to have risk reward built into him some how. i would also like to see side factions kinda mercanry for say or like the old Allie rule from WH fantasy love see pirates Ewock Mandos and Chiss all have some sort small army Allie rule

On 1/19/2019 at 8:30 PM, Zrob314 said:

The only problem with his Armada comparison is that in Armada he doesn't actually contribute anything but those tokens. For him to be an operative he'd have to be on a side, shooting dice. Unless you made his fully a noncomabtant.

True, but for example, (like armada, there is a benefit and a negative consequence to using him) If he gives an aim token to the rebels, then the target receives a dodge token.

Or something along these lines, "Distribute a victory token to a friendly unit and an opponent's unit at the end of deployment." and then the object of this would be a side mission where you try to retrieve the opponent's victory token for extra points

He could still have a weapon of his to use Range 2 at the most and would have some white dice to signify his wishy-washy ness inthe cartoons

One possible mechanic could be a manipulation of Victory points, where he costs you one victory point to field in a GAR/Empire/Rebel/CIS army.

On 1/19/2019 at 1:00 PM, MarekMandalore said:

Others, like Hondo, work with whomever offers them the best advantage. Hence, the idea of a multi-faction unit, with variable loyalty, seems perfect. I don’t see the mercs getting into full scale military battles with most especially the Empire.

Mercenaries as a faction make sense in X-wing (small dogfights) and IA (small squads, a la a special forces group or something...), but they feel out of place for Legion and Armada in my opinion.

To briefly address this (I don't want to completely derail the conversation), I will point out that Legion isn't a "full scale military battle." As discussed in another thread, the battlefield is smaller than an American Football field (109.7m x 48.8m), and each side is roughly fielding a platoon (up to 50ish infantry) with some support vehicles. Larger mercenary and criminal organizations (Hutts, Crimson Dawn, Nightwatch, Hondo's Pirates in Clone Wars) easily have those sort of numbers and have access to roughly equivalent vehicles.

I do agree that Armada is a bit of a stretch, and if Legion was a 15mm game fielding companies or regiments I would agree it was also out of scope.

Just now, Caimheul1313 said:

Larger mercenary and criminal organizations (Hutts, Crimson Dawn, Nightwatch, Hondo's Pirates in Clone Wars) easily have those sort of numbers and have access to roughly equivalent vehicles.

I echo this sentiment entirely, FFG is missing out on Gameplay fun and a huge monetary loss if they don't at some point create a Crime Syndicate / Mercenary Faction, etc.

I agree.

some one needs to post just random stuff in this thread to keep this at the top and the name in ffgs mind.

36 minutes ago, Rebel dude said:

some one needs to post just random stuff in this thread to keep this at the top and the name in ffgs mind.

Anything profitable too. It’d be thematic for our choice mercenary and pirate who just wants to be able to profit from all the factions in the game.

We want rebels!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just thought I'd post a couple Weequay Wisdom Hondo quotes from the Star Wars website to keep this thread on top.

"But you know what I always say: speak softly and drive a big tank" -Hondo

Maul: "Filth, you will pay for your insolence"

Hondo: "Insolence! We are pirates! We don't even know what that means"

Thats the spirit.

That’s exactly the sort of content we need here! The wise words of Hondo to explain precisely why he must be in the game as the first multi faction unit (operative).

"I may not be as young as I once was, but I'm older" -Hondo

“Greetings?!? What kind of menace have you brought to my planet now?”

Hondo.

Hello FFG.

Got to be honest, ours must be a small group... I doubt we can make that sort of dent with the same handful of people posting in here.

yeah.

On 1/21/2019 at 12:10 PM, buckero0 said:

I echo this sentiment entirely, FFG is missing out on Gameplay fun and a huge monetary loss if they don't at some point create a Crime Syndicate / Mercenary Faction, etc.

And who wouldn’t want to field this speeder tank along Weequay pirates...

After some thought on mechanics (and to keep this thread going) here’s my idea for text in Hondo’s card:

“Playing Both Sides 2:

When this character is defeated before it leaves the battlefield the opposing player may choose to flip an order token or assign an order token to a unit within range 1-2 of this unit. Then remove this unit from the game as normal.”

Thematic as Hondo, nearly defeated, would simply defect to the side that looks more likely to win the battle.