Anyone experience using Poe with 3 Awings?

I keep going back and forth on R4 vs BB8 on Poe.

R4 allows me the point to throw on 2 of my As but BB8 is great for the reposition.

Here is what I am thinking:

T-70 X-wing - •Poe Dameron - 83
•Poe Dameron - Trigger-Happy Flyboy (68)
Heroic (1)
•BB-8 (8)
• Black One (2)
Integrated S-foils (Closed) (0)
Heavy Laser Cannon (4)

RZ-2 A-wing - •Tallissan Lintra - 37
•Tallissan Lintra - Deadly Approach (35)
Trick Shot (1)
Heroic (1)

RZ-2 A-wing - Green Squadron Expert - 36
Green Squadron Expert - (34)
Trick Shot (1)
Heroic (1)

RZ-2 A-wing - •L’ulo L’ampar - 40
•L’ulo L’ampar - Luminous Mentor (38)
Trick Shot (1)
Heroic (1)

Total: 196/200

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R4 for the bid I think, otherwise looks good!

I wouldn't bother with Trick Shot

I don't know, BB-8 is hard to use without primed thrusters.

Other than that thought I like the build.

6 hours ago, SOTL said:

I wouldn't bother with Trick Shot

I would. When I bank around around rocks with the arc facing the rear, it triggered a handful of times. Well worth it.

Different model, but I'd run that Poe with 3 Heroic/Optics Greens.

19 minutes ago, SOTL said:

Different model, but I'd run that Poe with 3 Heroic/Optics Greens.

Yes, this.

The improvement of optics is better and more important than trickshot or unique abilities.

6 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Yes, this.

The improvement of optics is better and more important than trickshot or unique abilities.

That does look good too, but I really get alot out of L'ulos ability. I was able to get 3 to 4 shots with him and rarely ever got shot back.

@SOTL and @GreenDragoon aren't wrong about Optics. I've run Poe with L'ulo/Tallie/Zari without Optics and it leaves a lot of work for Poe to do. The A-Wings are pretty tough and stay alive forever, but they don't kill much, either. I'd recommend something closer to this and tweak from there. You're not going to get a consensus on the value of Heroic and/or Trick Shot on A-Wings, so I'd start them all with both and drop those talents as you see fit after some games.

Poe Dameron (68)
Heroic (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Heavy Laser Cannon (4)

L'ulo L'ampar (38)
Heroic (1)
Trick Shot (1)

Tallissan Lintra (35)
Heroic (1)
Trick Shot (1)
Advanced Optics (4)

Zari Bangel (35)
Heroic (1)
Trick Shot (1)
Advanced Optics (4)

Total: 199

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2 minutes ago, gennataos said:

You're  not going to get a consensus on the value of Heroic and/or Trick Shot on A-Wings, so I'd start them all with both and drop those talents as you see fit after some games. 

I agree with everything you said, but especially with the quoted part.

Of course I have my opinion, but I had to get there, too, and it's not straightforward.

11 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

I agree with everything you said, but especially with the quoted part.

Of course I have my opinion, but I had to get there, too, and it's not straightforward.

I think more folks need to arrive at their own conclusions like that. Don't ignore other opinions, but don't take them a face value as fact.

Also, not to derail the direction of your squad and thread, @ztiesman , but Poe + 3 A-Wings was one of my first lists which I tried a lot. I eventually veered off that slightly and landed on this. Bastian brings a punch and meatshield to the table that Tallie cannot. Admittedly, I never put the Optics version I posted above on the table, but that's because once I put Bastian on the table...oh boy...he's something special. Really, though, I should go back and try that Optics version as well. It would just fly differently, with less of a joust punch.

Poe Dameron (68)
Heroic (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Heavy Laser Cannon (4)

L'ulo L'ampar (38)
Heroic (1)
Trick Shot (1)

Zari Bangel (35)

Lieutenant Bastian (48)
Integrated S-Foils (0)

Total: 200

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31 minutes ago, gennataos said:

@SOTL and @GreenDragoon aren't wrong about Optics. I've run Poe with L'ulo/Tallie/Zari without Optics and it leaves a lot of work for Poe to do. The A-Wings are pretty tough and stay alive forever, but they don't kill much, either. I'd recommend something closer to this and tweak from there. You're not going to get a consensus on the value of Heroic and/or Trick Shot on A-Wings, so I'd start them all with both and drop those talents as you see fit after some games.

Poe Dameron (68)
Heroic (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Heavy Laser Cannon (4)

L'ulo L'ampar (38)
Heroic (1)
Trick Shot (1)

Tallissan Lintra (35)
Heroic (1)
Trick Shot (1)
Advanced Optics (4)

Zari Bangel (35)
Heroic (1)
Trick Shot (1)
Advanced Optics (4)

Total: 199

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I really like the looks of this. Kind of a best of all worlds from what is being talked about. I may drop Zari down to the Green Expert to get a 2 point bid.

Just now, ztiesman said:

I really like the looks of this. Kind of a best of all worlds from what is being talked about. I may drop Zari down to the Green Expert to get a 2 point bid.

Yeah, Zari works really well as a Bastian wingmate, but her ability is just "okay" with everyone else moving after her.

A skeleton of :

Poe (R4, Heroic, Config)

Talli (Heroic, Predator)

Lulo (Heroic, Predator)

Zari (Heroic, Predator)

A's can proc Predator VERY reliably, helping their mods a lot. This still leaves 12 points for Poe

42 minutes ago, Greebwahn said:

A skeleton of :

Poe (R4, Heroic, Config)

Talli (Heroic, Predator)

Lulo (Heroic, Predator)

Zari (Heroic, Predator)

A's can proc Predator VERY reliably, helping their mods a lot. This still leaves 12 points for Poe

We must fly them very differently. I'd say 75+% of my A-Wing shots are from the rear arc.

Really? I guess I just never go for rear because I want the double mods from Predator

They're all about the rear.

2 hours ago, gennataos said:

Also, not to derail the direction of your squad and thread, @ztiesman , but Poe + 3 A-Wings was one of my first lists which I tried a lot. I eventually veered off that slightly and landed on this. Bastian brings a punch and meatshield to the table that Tallie cannot. Admittedly, I never put the Optics version I posted above on the table, but that's because once I put Bastian on the table...oh boy...he's something special. Really, though, I should go back and try that Optics version as well. It would just fly differently, with less of a joust punch.

Poe Dameron (68)
Heroic (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Heavy Laser Cannon (4)

L'ulo L'ampar (38)
Heroic (1)
Trick Shot (1)

Zari Bangel (35)

Lieutenant Bastian (48)
Integrated S-Foils (0)

Total: 200

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I'm just starting to experiment with Bastion in other lists, he seems like a good value. This is a very interesting list, can you share some insights on how you're generally setting up and keys to running it effectively? Any particularly good or bad matchups you've found?

I feel like I'd rather have Heroic Zari/Tallie than that Trick Shot.

46 minutes ago, Mistborn_Jedi said:

I'm just starting to experiment with Bastion in other lists, he seems like a good value. This is a very interesting list, can you share some insights on how you're generally setting up and keys to running it effectively? Any particularly good or bad matchups you've found?

I don't want to subvert OP's thread, but the gist is Zari flies as a wingmate for Bastian. Given her ability, you can either slam into Bastian to maintain his pace, zoom ahead for a bump on opposing ship, etc...whatever. I usually have L'ulo along with those two in a corner, generally going fast up the board edge, sometimes turning in immediately for a better flanking position. Poe usually goes somewhere for a flank. L'ulo and Poe positioning really depends on the matchup. HLC on Poe is a new inclusion, which makes an argument for him being in the corner with Bastian and Zari, since he can provide some extra punch on a straight joust, but I'm loathe to put Poe squarely in the sights of my opponent.

It's kind of a "all comers" list, at least that's my perception of it. A bunch of higher initiative pilots with the bid might deal it some serious problems, if I were to pick a bad matchup. If I find, as the meta shakes out, that a bid is required, I'd probably drop HLC for the bid. If I didn't feel that was enough, but the bid is still required, I'd probably have to drop the list.

Got my version of this on the table at FLGS last night and went 2-0 with it. First game against 5 Resistance A-wings, the second vs QuickDraw + 2 Upsilons. This archetype has a lot of potential.

• Poe Dameron + Trick Shot + BB-8 + Integrated S-Foils + Ferrosphere Paint + Black One + Heavy Laser Cannon
• L'ulo L'ampar + Trick Shot + Heroic
• Tallissan Lintra + Trick Shot + Heroic
• Blue Squadron Recruit