The text for Force Charges basically says that while attacking, I can spend any number of Force Charges to change that number of focus results to hit results. The same applies to defending. Is this ability affected by the Once per Opportunity rule?

2 minutes ago, Stoneface said:

The text for Force Charges basically says that while attacking, I can spend any number of Force Charges to change that number of focus results to hit results. The same applies to defending. Is this ability affected by the Once per Opportunity rule?

Nope, spend all the Force & Calculate charges/tokens on modifying dice that you want.

4 minutes ago, Stoneface said:

The text for Force Charges basically says that while attacking, I can spend any number of Force Charges to change that number of focus results to hit results. The same applies to defending. Is this ability affected by the Once per Opportunity rule?

While it is technically covered by Once per Opportunity, the rules for Force Charges (as well as Calculate and Evade tokens) specifically state that you can spend any number, to change an equal number of many results. So in this case, your one opportunity lets you change as many as you want.

This doesn't apply, of course, to abilities that let you spend force charges for alternate purposes: Rey, for example, can (situationally) spend one force to change a blank result into a hit or evade, but she can't use a second force token for the same effect. Fifth Brother (if he had another force-sensitive crewmate) could only use his focus-to-crit ability once per attack.

Thanks @Innese and @emeraldbeacon ! Sometimes I get tripped up by the "that which makes things more difficult" trumps whatever routine.

The way to think of it is that if a token can only affect one die, then each individual die is an opportunity to spend that type of token...

23 minutes ago, DexterOnone said:

The way to think of it is that if a token can only affect one die, then each individual die is an opportunity to spend that type of token...

It's not the best way to think about it, in all honesty. It will lead back to the misconception Dion Morales addressed recently in the GSP video (Rey being able to flip multiple blanks at once).

There's a single opportunity per dice roll given, and then there's a specific rule allowing to use multiple force tokens at once at single opportunity.

Keep in mind that you can still use at the same time Rey's ability to modify one die and another force token to modify another as per the regular use of force tokens.
Obviously you cannot modify 2 blanks rolled this way, but you can do it if you rolled a blank and an eye result.

So lets say Rey has 2 force tokens and rolls 2 dice. Then if she rolled:

blank blank - she can modify only one of them to an evade with her ability

blank eye - she can modify one blank to an evade with her ability and use another force token to modify the other one too as per the regular use of force tokens

52 minutes ago, ryfterek said:

It will lead back to the misconception Dion Morales addressed recently in the GSP video (Rey b  eing  abl  e to flip multiple blanks at once).    

I don’t see that it would... as Dion highlighted in the video, the once per opportunity rule specifically references the use of abilities being restricted to once per opportunity, not spending of tokens.

And what does Rey use to flip that blank? An ability. One which allows her to spend a token, but an ability nonetheless.

43 minutes ago, DexterOnone said:

I don’t see that it would... as Dion highlighted in the video, the once per opportunity rule specifically references the use of abilities being restricted to once per opportunity, not spending of tokens.

Well, but you did propose to think as if:

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each individual die is an opportunity to spend that type of token...

Hence my comment. No offence, tho, just pointing out for extra safety.

On ‎1‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 7:21 AM, ryfterek said:

There's a single opportunity per dice roll given, and then there's a specific rule allowing to use multiple force tokens at once at single opportunity.

This.

Compare Rey's ability:

"While you defend or perform an attack, if the enemy ship is in your you may spend 1 to change 1 of your blank results to a or result."

Spending force 'normally':

"While it performs an attack, a ship can spend any number of during the Attack Dice step to change that number of its results to results. While it defends, a ship can spend any number of during the Defense Dice step to change that number of its results to results."

In both cases, the trigger for the opportunity is "I attack or defend" with a prerequisite that you have both some force charge and some rolled dice in front of you.

Both triggers happen at once - you can trigger neither, either or both, but each one once and once only. However, nested within the latter is permission to spend as much force as you have available as part of that effect.

4 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

This.

Compare Rey's ability:

"While you defend or perform an attack, if the enemy ship is in your you may spend 1 to change 1 of your blank results to a or result."

Spending force 'normally':

"While it performs an attack, a ship can spend any number of during the Attack Dice step to change that number of its results to results. While it defends, a ship can spend any number of during the Defense Dice step to change that number of its results to results."

In both cases, the trigger for the opportunity is "I attack or defend" with a prerequisite that you have both some force charge and some rolled dice in front of you.

Both triggers happen at once - you can trigger neither, either or both, but each one once and once only. However, nested within the latter is permission to spend as much force as you have available as part of that effect.

I'm feeling particularly stupid this morning. Blame it on lack of caffeine or advanced age but when I read your explanation it seems you're saying that Rey can use her ability and if she throws more than one die spend another force token to change another focus into a hit or an evade. Am I reading this correctly?

7 minutes ago, Stoneface said:

I'm feeling particularly stupid this morning. Blame it on lack of caffeine or advanced age but when I read your explanation it seems you're saying that Rey can use her ability and if she throws more than one die spend another force token to change another focus into a hit or an evade. Am I reading this correctly?

Rey can change 1 die with her ability, and/or spend Force to chance Focus results is the summation.

2 minutes ago, Innese said:

Rey can change 1 die with her ability, and/or spend Force to chance Focus results is the summation.

Ok, so using her ability doesn't prevent her from spending an additional force token? Then the Gold Squadron podcast is wrong?

My next question would be to FFG. Why give a pilot an ability that's covered by the rules?

1 minute ago, Stoneface said:

Ok, so using her ability doesn't prevent her from spending an additional force token? Then the Gold Squadron podcast is wrong?

My next question would be to FFG. Why give a pilot an ability that's covered by the rules?

Rey: Change a Blank with Force

Force on its own: Change 1 Focus Result

GSP: Rey can’t use her ability to change 2 Blanks

2 minutes ago, Innese said:

Rey: Change a Blank with Force

Force on its own: Change 1 Focus Result

GSP: Rey can’t use her ability to change 2 Blanks

Yeah, I should've checked before I typed. I see where my confusion is coming from. Thanks for the info and your patience!

1 minute ago, Stoneface said:

Yeah, I should've checked before I typed. I see where my confusion is coming from. Thanks for the info and your patience!

We all have our moments haha, it happens!

o/

Just now, Innese said:

We all have our moments haha, it happens!

o/

Sometimes the moments turn into days! ☹️

4 minutes ago, Stoneface said:

Sometimes the moments turn into days! ☹️

I still haven’t flown a single Force ship in 2.0... I nearly had the 1.0 FAQ memorized so 2.0 has been a journey of forgetting most-everything and learning it again. I know that feeling too well.