2 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

I think the ARC-170's strange place is due to the likelihood they are a centerpiece of The Republic faction. I think it will turn out that if we "want" to fly ARCs we're meant to fly Republic.

it may not get a rebel reprint.

6 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

it may not get a rebel reprint.

What??

I don’t think FFG wants to miss out on the number of people who would buy four more ARCs for yet another paint job. 😶

6 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

What??

I don’t think FFG wants to miss out on the number of people who would buy four more ARCs for yet another paint job. 😶

there has been rumors going around, started by LFGS owners, that FFG has confirmed that not all 1.0 stuff would be reprinted. the Rebel ARC I could see falling under that.

1 minute ago, SpiderMana said:

What??

I don’t think FFG wants to miss out on the number of people who would buy four more ARCs for yet another paint job. 😶

Resembling that remark I think though for 2nd Ed. it will be a matter of wanting to keep faction identity. We aren't talking about the Falcon here. They put them in Rebels in 1st Ed. because they could fluff it up enough and they weren't going to have Republic and they needed something that had been on screen. With Republic now being a thing I don't envision a Rebel ARC.

Although if there is to be a Rebel ARC I think it the most likely candidate to break the "upgrade or pilot that wasn't in the conversion kit" thing they've had going on.

11 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

there has been rumors going around, started by LFGS owners, that FFG has confirmed that not all 1.0 stuff would be reprinted. the Rebel ARC I could see falling under that.

I wouldn’t be shocked if they never reprinted a specifically Rebel ARC, no, but I feel like at that point they either have to release a card/dial pack for new players to convert Republic ARCs, or take Rebel ARCs completely out of any and all competitive play.

And I think a much larger percentage of the player base would be drastically upset if they started full-on banning ships from certain factions, than the number of people upset over Hyperspace.

13 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

I wouldn’t be shocked if they never reprinted a specifically Rebel ARC, no, but I feel like at that point they either have to release a card/dial pack for new players to convert Republic ARCs, or take Rebel ARCs completely out of any and all competitive play.

And I think a much larger percentage of the player base would be drastically upset if they started full-on banning ships from certain factions, than the number of people upset over Hyperspace.

spoiler alert: the player base will be upset no matter what happens.

Let's clarify something here: we're not saying that Rebels are 100% bad. There are obviously ships in the Rebel faction that can hold their own in Extended. The real argument here is that nothing in Rebels has emerged that feels especially above the power curve the way that we've seen with things like Boba, Redline, Sloane, and Whisper. The very best that Rebels have to offer just isn't as strong as the most powerful things that the other 2 factions are doing, except for a couple of gimmicks like Roark/Dash which might as well be their own faction since they don't work without each other. And a larger percentage of the faction feels like it's significantly below the power curve compared to the stuff that is struggling in the other factions, much of which just feels like retribution for 1st edition.

Rebels right now are the epitome of fairness. And at the highest levels of competition where players are trying to squeeze every possible point of efficiency out of their lists to gain an edge, "fair" is just another word for mediocre.

11 minutes ago, Tvboy said:

R  ebels   ri  g  ht now are th  e epitome  of f  airn  ess.   

My opponents right now disagree...

Although we will see if my list is legal in two weeks...

1 hour ago, LagJanson said:

My opponents right now disagree...

Although we will see if my list is legal in two weeks...

Results and data impress me more than mike-drops.

55 minutes ago, Tvboy said:

Results and data impress me more than mike-drops.

I’m not here to impress you

6 hours ago, LagJanson said:

I’m not here to impress you

Then consider me unimpressed.

4 hours ago, Tvboy said:

Then consider me unimpressed.

Cool. That's fine. Your initial comment amused me, so don’t read too much into my responses here.

Ultimatedly though we've got two weeks left of whatever data we have before things hopefully shift.

16 hours ago, LagJanson said:

My opponents right now disagree...

Although we will see if my list is legal in two weeks...

what are you flying @LagJanson ?

5 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

what are you flying @LagJanson ?

Rebel damage spreading, Biggs and 2 selfless Rebels in a four ship list, the fourth ship being a high offense piece. I've been moving individual ships and pilots in and out of the list so the end point isn't final, but the end result is pretty potent.

As @Tvboy accurately noted, I've not got enough games to count as data. That doesn't make my comment wrong regarding my opponent's grumbling about fairness either.

1 minute ago, LagJanson said:

Rebel damage spreading, Biggs and 2 selfless Rebels in a four ship list, the fourth ship being a high offense piece. I've been moving individual ships and pilots in and out of the list so the end point isn't final, but the end result is pretty potent.

As @Tvboy accurately noted, I've not got enough games to count as data. That doesn't make my comment wrong regarding my opponent's grumbling about fairness either.

I was going to bring selfless rebels to a system open... but I was having issues with the damage dealer. I started with Biggs, 2 Self Blades + Shield + Magva. but was severely limited on damage output. Was able to really spread damage out tho. Swapped to Lowhrickk and lost the shield upgrades...hated it. Was going to pop Wedge in there and run in a diamond with Wedge in the back. but haven't trialed it yet. It's just not fun to play against, the frustration on my opponents faces is pretty enjoyable for me.

27 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

I was going to bring selfless rebels to a system open... but I was having issues with the damage dealer. I started with Biggs, 2 Self Blades + Shield + Magva. but was severely limited on damage output. Was able to really spread damage out tho. Swapped to Lowhrickk and lost the shield upgrades...hated it. Was going to pop Wedge in there and run in a diamond with Wedge in the back. but haven't trialed it yet. It's just not fun to play against, the frustration on my opponents faces is pretty enjoyable for me.

I had the same issue as you pushing damage until I dropped one selfless defender from the list. My damage dealer now depends on the format. Extended, for instance, Sabine attack shuttle with Juke is pretty good for pushing damage through on the cheap. Y-wing with proton torpedoes was a hit in hyperspace, whether it got to use them or not.

I'm not in it for the frustration it generates, but it definitely rubs people the wrong way when they've done 9 or 10 damage and there's only 1 damage card down.

45 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

I had the same issue as you pushing damage until I dropped one selfless defender from the list. My damage dealer now depends on the format. Extended, for instance, Sabine attack shuttle with Juke is pretty good for pushing damage through on the cheap. Y-wing with proton torpedoes was a hit in hyperspace, whether it got to use them or not.

I'm not in it for the frustration it generates, but it definitely rubs people the wrong way when they've done 9 or 10 damage and there's only 1 damage card down.

it makes me laugh thats for sure. but we can have a pretty cancerous meta locally so I don't mind it. Someones ideal of a wholesome list was Dash/Roark so I took this out.