I aint gonna lie, outrider is complete overpriced , the only setup that this is not true is Dash han + Roark . Since this, i have been trying to change the title Outrider for other things , if you think , the closest thing to the title is the ept outmanouver + eletronic baffle , the cost of both of them? 8 on total , and the outrider title? 14!

But remember , u have way more chance of using outmanouver in small ships then using the ability from the title, why? because with outmanouver u only care about the enemy position and keeping out of his arc ( and everyone tries this anyway) on the other hand .... to use the title u need to not only care about this , but also the debris/ rock , so the chances of u using it as good as outmanouver is definitely lower.

Now, talking about eletronic Baffle , it is pretty much the same to the other effect from the title! but u take one hit and dont have to pass over debris/rock. Probably you will say that on this point the title should value more, and i agree with you. But if u got one red token ,and the enemy is smart, he will guess that u are probably going over rocks and , usually he is right , and an attack you (the chances are that he will shoot u with at least 2 ships). The chances are that this will cause way more dmg then one single hit usually.

So , what you think ? the title should be buffed and the han+dash+roark trick be banned? even if the the dash + Roark build be dont be touched , i think that the title should value at least betwen 10 and 12 points. I hope this helps with the game balance and makes everyone happy.

May the force be with you !

45 minutes ago, Rokian said:

Now, talking about eletronic Baffle , it is pretty much the same to the other effect from the title! but u take one hit and dont have to pass over debris/rock. Probably you will say that on this point the title should value more, and i agree with you.

This isn't quite a match, though:

1. Electronic Baffle removes your red token in the end phase.
2. Outrider removes it immediately after the manoeuvre, thus removing the stress from passing through debris (for a non-dash-render pilot) before that turn's perform action step, and still allowing you an action (making it also do the job of collision detector, technically another 5 points).
3. Plus it doesn't damage you - not great if you're deliberately running over a rock to remove stress, but great if you're Dash and can fly over debris without picking up another stress - meaning that if you're stressed your choices of blue move are all the YT-2400's existing blue moves plus any white move which takes you over an asteroid.
4. Plus it allows dash to do a red move which takes him over an obstacle as well (since you'll perform a red move, receive a stress in check pilot step, then - having passed over a rock - remove it due to outrider)
5. Plus outrider lets you remove orange tokens as well as red. Matchup-specific, but removing a Jam token after your manoeuvre allows you to focus or acquire a target lock and not waste the action, and the ability to remove a tractor token essentially increases your agility by 1 for the subsequent engagement phase.

50 minutes ago, Rokian said:

u have way more chance of using outmanouver in small ships then using the ability from the title, why? because with outmanouver u only care about the enemy position and keeping out of his arc ( and everyone tries this anyway) on the other hand .... to use the title u need to not only care about this , but also the debris/ rock , so the chances of u using it as good as outmanouver is definitely lower.

Whilst I broadly agree, don't forget that the YT-2400 has an illicit slot. Rigged Cargo Chute allows it to create its own debris marker on demand....

Furthermore, if you're able to move around inside a tightly-packed obstacle field without penalty (because dash rendar), it's a lot easier to get obstructed shots. It needn't be a range 3 line intersecting you, the target and the rock like three equally spaced beads on a wire - if you park dash on a rock then barrel roll off it on the side furthest from your target, the rock - especially if it's a big one - is likely to obscure a good 1/4 of the board...

Note - I still think Dash is a touch too expensive and I also still agree it would have been nice for Roark/Han not to work. But the title itself, to me, is fine.

27 minutes ago, Magnus Grendel said:

2. Outrider removes it immediately after the manoeuvre, thus removing the stress from passing through debris (for a non-dash-render pilot) before that turn's perform action step, and still allowing you an action (making it also do the job of collision detector, technically another 5 points)

This timing is also really important for Target Locks. Baffle can't protect a ship from a lock acquired this round. An opponent has a chance to use it, but depending on initiative, Outrider can remove a lock before it gets used. That's pretty huge.

2 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

This timing is also really important for Target Locks. Baffle can't protect a ship from a lock acquired this round. An opponent has a chance to use it, but depending on initiative, Outrider can remove a lock before it gets used. That's pretty huge.

I know that it is way better then eletronic baffle , but, anyway, 14 points for the title continue to be expensive , if you imagine that the title could cost twice as eletronic baffle , it would be only 2 pts more , goingo to 10 on total , i belive the right cost for the title would be 12 , even twice the cost is too good ( for eletronic baffle ), my point is that, the title for 14 (or the pilot for 100) is so expensive to the point that you only see dash + roark in any competition.

To make more simple, i would put for the title :

part that is close to outmanouver - 7 points

part that is close to eletronic baffle - 5 points

Total : 12 points

and , yhea , han + hoark makes impossible to be fair with points on dash.

27 minutes ago, Rokian said:

I know that it is way better then eletronic baffle , but, anyway, 14 points for the title continue to be expensive , if you imagine that the title could cost twice as eletronic baffle , it would be only 2 pts more , goingo to 10 on total , i belive the right cost for the title would be 12 , even twice the cost is too good ( for eletronic baffle ), my point is that, the title for 14 (or the pilot for 100) is so expensive to the point that you only see dash + roark in any competition.

To make more simple, i would put for the title :

part that is close to outmanouver - 7 points

part that is close to eletronic baffle - 5 points

Total : 12 points

and , yhea , han + hoark makes impossible to be fair with points on dash.

Which is actually really sad. I love Dash but I fully expect him to stay where he is points wise because that list cannot allowed to get better, rightfully so.

The yt-2400 title is undercosted.

Outsider removes red and orange tokens, red tokens are stress, ion and lock, orange are tractor and jam. Title stops obstruction bonus.

You are right about it´ s use for dash , but wrong about 1 point, if u have are not using dash as your pilot you have to choose one of these :

1- pass over a rock , have the chance of suffering dmg and taking out the token ( it is like a eletronic baffle with dmg chance, but u can take critical )

2- Pass over a debris , then u have to choose , take out the new stress token or take out the old token that u had ( if u want to loose stress, sorry ,but u wont)

So, not so good for leebo or random pilot, The best use of it comes only from Dash and not the title and , also , if you fly over a debris (not using dash) , land on it , try to move again and dont notice that you will pass over it again (yhea , same debris , just using the ruler over it for a small part) , doing a red manouver will make you do a straight one , and will anyway give another stress token (that u can take out , but will not be that useful for something else)

9 hours ago, Blademaster72 said:

Outsider removes red and orange tokens, red tokens are stress, ion and lock, orange are tractor and jam. Title stops obstruction bonus. 

I forgot to put it removes 1 red or orange token, it's still really good.