some questions about the new grappling struts that has been announced for the servants of strife pack.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2019/1/8/seize-the-galaxy/

If a red maneuver is revealed does that ship still gain a stress token and then lose it again straight away, does it also skip it's action?

Also does the ship flip 180 degrees if a flip maneuver is revealed?

Thanks guys

You skip the execute maneuver step unless you reveal a 2-straight, so you don't gain stress based on what you reveal or flip.

If you reveal any left or right maneuver (turn, bank, Tallon Roll), you will rotate 90 degrees in that direction.

You still get a Perform Action step. It might be possible to have too many stress to actually perform an action, but you still get the step.

well, let's read the card...

"if you reveal a maneuver other than a 2 [straight] and are at range 0 of an asteroid or debris cloud, skip your Execute Maneuver step and remove 1 stress token. If you revealed a right or left maneuver, rotate your ship 90º in that direction."

So if you reveal a left Tallon roll, you will skip your Execute Maneuver step. So you will not perform the maneuver (and thus not flip 180º) and you will not check the difficulty. No stress is gained, because that is part of the Check Difficulty step of Executing a Maneuver. See page 13 of your RRG. You will instead turn 90º to the left.

During the Activation Phase, you Reveal Dial, Execute Maneuver, and Perform Action. So, in this case you Reveal Dial, skip Execute Maneuver, then Perform Action. You skipped the Check Difficulty part of Execute Maneuver, so you are not stressed. The Struts are letting you ignore the obstacle, so you can perform an action.

Ninja'd twice! @theBitterFig and @skotothalamos are both correct.

The Grappling Struts (open) card, for reference. Short answers: Don't Gain stress from revealed maneuvers (or debris for that matter), don't skip your regular Activation Please action step, and no spinning 180.

Starting with a revealed maneuver that's not 2 straight gets skipped entirely. That means you don't execute a red maneuver, and don't perform a Check Difficulty step so there's no gaining a stress there.

If you look in the Rules Reference (1.0.2) on p3 you'll find the entry for Activation Phase and on p13 is Maneuver . Performing an action is a separate step is normally after executing a maneuver, not part of performing a maneuver. As such your action step still comes up next when you skip your maneuver .

Lastly: no, you do not spin 180 by revealing a k-turn. The card is clear that you don't change bearing unless you reveal a left/right maneuver in which case you always spin 90.

1 hour ago, nitrobenz said:

Ninja'd twice! @theBitterFig and @skotothalamos are both correct.

The Grappling Struts (open) card, for reference. Short answers: Don't Gain stress from revealed maneuvers (or debris for that matter), don't skip your regular Activation Please action step, and no spinning 180.

Starting with a revealed maneuver that's not 2 straight gets skipped entirely. That means you don't execute a red maneuver, and don't perform a Check Difficulty step so there's no gaining a stress there.

If you look in the Rules Reference (1.0.2) on p3 you'll find the entry for Activation Phase and on p13 is Maneuver . Performing an action is a separate step is normally after executing a maneuver, not part of performing a maneuver. As such your action step still comes up next when you skip your maneuver .

Lastly: no, you do not spin 180 by revealing a k-turn. The card is clear that you don't change bearing unless you reveal a left/right maneuver in which case you always spin 90.

Of note, because Vultures with their struts open don't skip the Perform Action Step and ignore obstacles at range 0 (though that is really limited to asteroids and debris clouds by the closed side trigger), they have 2 ways to launch off of an asteroid or debris cloud. Via the 2 straight as directly stated on the Open side of the card and via a Barrel Roll during the Perform action step even if a 2 straight was not revealed.

1 hour ago, Hiemfire said:

Of note, because Vultures with their struts open don't skip the Perform Action Step and ignore obstacles at range 0 (though that is really limited to asteroids and debris clouds by the closed side trigger), they have 2 ways to launch off of an asteroid or debris cloud. Via the 2 straight as directly stated on the Open side of the card and via a Barrel Roll during the Perform action step even if a 2 straight was not revealed.

best option: dial up something interesting, have a coordinator nearby, and decide whether to stay on the rock or get coordinated to barrel-roll off the rock and then do your actual dial maneuver.

1 minute ago, skotothalamos said:

best option: dial up something interesting, have a coordinator nearby, and decide whether to stay on the rock or get coordinated to barrel-roll off the rock and then do your actual dial maneuver.

For the moment Squad Leader talent on a Bug-22 or possibly the Infiltrator (might not be available since the named pilots on that are force users or droids) is the only known option for coordinate for them so that makes an early enough coordinate unlikely right now.