3 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

ALSO this is a what-if scenario.

This I agree with. We don't know if there is a lie detector, but if there is, it would help them to have a clear, unambiguous statement such as "I am town" to analyze. Lie detector is the only role I can think of that has to be "prepped" by the participants. If there is no lie detector, then was it all pointless? I'll get to that below.

2 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

In my experience, scum is the most likely to post I'm town along with vanillas, power roles for town generally stay under the radar...

Either way, I just dislike that way of trying to solve a game.

Footnote: It's also a great scum move to then come out tomorrow and claim Lie Detector, saying you wanted to get the info first and not reveal.

It's only a helpful approach if you know for a fact the role is in the game.

I don't know what your experience is, and I'm not sure if I can take your word for it. I don't know why vanilla town would be more willing to participate than power roles. However, in the most recent Mafia game I played (the only game I've ever played with lie detector) Pod, Caldias and GNIP were anti-town. Caldias and GNIP gladly made the "I am town" statement, but Pod was very hesitant. That should have been a clue for the rest of us that Pod was scum.

Also, we got GNIP the next day. So it wasn't completely useless. I don't remember anything about vanilla /power roles being revealed, only alignment.

However, I agree with you that we don't know for certain if the role is in this game. I hadn't thought much about how that might change things. I've never played a semi-open game with Lie Detector. I can imagine that sort of scum move happening as you describe it.

As for the Pod/Ebon showdown going on, I was trying to stay out of it, but one thing I will say is that we have over 40 hours to go. I'm not asking people to unvote, but I don't see a great reason for this train right now. I would like to hear from @TheCallum

1 hour ago, Madaghmire said:

Of those five, werent at least two modded by at least one of you?

But I mean, it sure feels like we see this a lot. If its been a while, it hasn’t been long enough to feel like its been a while.

I modded one, not sure on pod.

And yes we have seen this a lot, the fact it went so many games without to then just come round back to this again is odd. I also agree with LTD hang one of us just so it this charade can be stopped for future games.

Point in fact: Pod has still yet to take the wagon with any seriousness and defend himself despite being L-2 something he is known for pushing on others, and has yet to do his normal day 1 voting style.

Even when he said he would target lurkers it took him nearly an hour just to target LTD after he voted Pod, none of this is Pods normal D1.

How much pressure do you expect me to have put on the lurkers 4 hours into day one exactly?

and yeah I switched from a 'random' vote to a OMGUS.

big news.

2 hours ago, LTD said:

Which is why we should lynch one of them.

Day one is random anyway - we’ve got a train going, let’s finish it.

Push to claim.

Why? It generates discussion, moves the game along. I’m fine with it. When the kids in bed and I can devote the kind of thought I need to do more than merely superficially react to the conversation in front of me I’ll decide if I want to drop a vote on one.

1 hour ago, EbonHawk said:

I modded one, not sure on pod.

And yes we have seen this a lot, the fact it went so many games without to then just come round back to this again is odd. I also agree with LTD hang one of us just so it this charade can be stopped for future games.

Point in fact: Pod has still yet to take the wagon with any seriousness and defend himself despite being L-2 something he is known for pushing on others, and has yet to do his normal day 1 voting style.

Even when he said he would target lurkers it took him nearly an hour just to target LTD after he voted Pod, none of this is Pods normal D1.

Pod did the UPick

1 hour ago, PodRacer said:

How much pressure do you expect me to have put on the lurkers 4 hours into day one exactly?

well some at least, as you indicated you were going to do so

1 hour ago, PodRacer said:

and yeah I switched from a 'random' vote to a OMGUS.

big news.

You can't call a vote on me random after the history in it, and as said already my interest was most piqued when you said you would go after a lurker but then voted LTD in retaliation

7 hours ago, PodRacer said:

just deciding which lurker to Vote... many many to choose from

1 hour ago, PodRacer said:

How much pressure do you expect me to have put on the lurkers 4 hours into day one exactly?

1 hour ago, Madaghmire said:

Pod did the UPick

Gone back over the last 5+ games after my last mod and Pods. Not a single instance of him voting me I think I went back to September...

Feel free to check yourself bud, but this is what I would class as out of character now after so long

Even in games where I've pushed pod myself for odd D1 actions he hasn't voted me D1

On 9/12/2018 at 11:21 PM, PodRacer said:

##role confirmed

##vote Ebon

And so it begins...

The last time I believe

7 games

7games in a row I voted you or seven games since I voted you day 1?

Holy post explosion, Batman.

I don't think we need to finish the train on Pod or Ebon just yet, as Mads said, discussion is good, gives people a chance to slip.

At the zero hour though, if they are still our two best bets, we should push one of them.

Where are the lurkers?

I cant ping them from my phone.

Pod may well be town, and Ebon trying to make it look more than traditional is potentially suspicious.

7 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

Gone back over the last 5+ games after my last mod and Pods. Not a single instance of him voting me I think I went back to September...

What are you talking about? Didn't he vote you in LP's game? I.e. the one immediately before this one?

I get the impression that you are making far more of a deal about this than it deserves. Sure, Pod voting you gets old, but if you just ignored it and acted as if he hadn't voted, we wouldn't waste 10+ hours d1 focusing down on Pod.

What else are we going to focus on? Day one is random.

- @EbonHawk ‘s 1st explosion: the Pod Vendetta (I seem to recall Ebon previously pretty much just ignoring this D1 of late. But that may well have been when he was not Town!)

- Ebon’s 2nd explosion: the Lie Detector matter (this seems a little heavy handed for what was an admitedly low probability possibility that nonetheless was rooted in something @The Jabbawookie had implied. Given D1 it seemed pretty harmless to me)

This takes me back to that great competitor to Freud and Jung - EbonTheory! Do we believe Ebon is more likely to be Scum or Town when angry like this on D1. For my own part (even though I find anger rather off putting, shall we say) I actually read this as more Townish in Ebon. I think @clontroper5 may have a different view.

We do need to push past this though and hear from all players if we do get to the end of the day and this is still the central matter of D1 than I will (ceteris paribus) keep my vote on @PodRacer .

To this end, can I ask both Pod and Ebon to put this to one side for a little while please so we can hear from all players and potentially even discuss something else?

Let's analyse the other wagons then...

VC plz @The Jabbawookie

23 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Vote  Count:

@EbonHawk :

@PodRacer : 4 (Ebonhawk, Lord Preyer, Matt3412, LTD)

@Madaghmire :

@clontroper5 :

@Bertie Wooster :

@Matt3412 : 

@Caldias :

@GhostofNobodyInParticular :

@Lord Preyer :

@TheCallum :

@LTD :  1 (Podracer)

12 hours ago, PodRacer said:

7games in a row I voted you or seven games since I voted you day 1?

7 since?

7 hours ago, LTD said:

Pod may well be town, and Ebon trying to make it look more than traditional is potentially suspicious.

Oh give over, hang me if you want doesn' hurt me... but if I'm the one who dies to a pointless vote again (which is probably what pod wants) see ya guys later

4 hours ago, Lord Preyer said:

@EbonHawk ‘s 1st explosion: the Pod Vendetta (I seem to recall Ebon previously pretty much just ignoring this D1 of late. But that may well have been when he was not Town!)

again is hasn't happened in 10 plus games so yeah a tad annoying

5 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

What are you talking about? Didn't he vote you in LP's game? I.e. the one immediately before this one?

I get the impression that you are making far more of a deal about this than it deserves. S ure, Pod voting you gets old, but if you just ignored it and acted as if he hadn't voted, we wouldn't waste 10+ hours d1 focusing down on Pod.

1

I get the impression you've been rather defending pod today.

and Yeah GEE Gnips, had I not posted about pod we'd porbaly spent 10 hours in silence judging how many posts the rest of yous have