QQ: Bodhi Rook and E-Wings

By Wazat, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Bodhi says: Friendly ships can acquire target locks onto objects at range 0-3 of any friendly ship.

E-Wing says: You can acquire locks beyond range 3. You cannot acquire locks at range 1.

AdmiralWedgeAntilles on the wiki is asking whether the e-wing would be able to lock on to a target at range one of themselves, and I'm not sure what to tell him. My gut is to say no they cannot, because restrictions stomp allowances, but there's also the question of general rule vs specific rule, and possibly other considerations. I want to defer to the larger community here.

What's the correct resolution here?

The e-wing’s ability restriction uses the word “cannot” which is special, per the Golden Rules at the beginning of the Rules Reference:

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If a card ability uses the word “cannot,” that effect is absolute and cannot be overridden by other effects.

Seems your gut is right and under no circumstances will an e-wing be able to acquire locks at range 1.

Edited by KiAdiMoody
4 hours ago, KiAdiMoody said:

Seems  y  our gut is right and under no circumstances  will an e-wing be able to acquire locks at range   1  

I think the real question here is whether or not you have to measure for both abilities; if you declare that an E-Wing is taking a lock using Bodhis ability to measure from a different ship, is there any requirement to measure the distance from the E-Wing to the target?

Another point to note is that the wording on the E-Wing only prevents you from taking locks at Range 1, so I would assume you can take a lock at Range 0 (via coordinate)...

40 minutes ago, DexterOnone said:

I think the real question here is whether or not you have to measure for both abilities; if you declare that an E-Wing is taking a lock using Bodhis ability to measure from a different ship, is there any requirement to measure the distance from the E-Wing to the target?

Another point to note is that the wording on the E-Wing only prevents you from taking locks at Range 1, so I would assume you can take a lock at Range 0 (via coordinate)...

Yes; the E Wing cannot acquire locks at R1, which overrides Bodhi, so you have to measure to check you're not at R1 of the target.

And yes, they can get r0 locks with Advanced Sensors or Coordinate.

As mentioned:

Golden rule (Rules reference page 2):

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If a card ability uses the word “cannot,” that effect is absolute and cannot be
overridden by other effects.

E-Wing cannot lock at range 1.

Range rules (
Rules reference page 15):

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At: An object is at a specified range if the closest point of it is inside
that range.

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Range 0 does not appear on the range ruler, but is used for describing the
range of objects that are physically touching.

Range 0 is almost always result of a partially executed maneuver which does not allow actions. (Rules reference page 14)

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The ship skips its Perform Action step.

However with current card texts it is possible to lock via coordinate or other effect that would allow you to lock after you have moved.

One example

Knave Squadron Escort (initiative 3) only partially executes maneuver and is now in base contact to a Academy Pilot (initiative 1).
Knave is not allowed an action after maneuver.
"Dutch" Vander activates after Knave and after completing his maneuver he locks up Academy Pilot.

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After you perform the lock action, you may choose 1 friendly ship at range 1–3. That ship may acquire a lock on the object you locked, ignoring range restrictions.

Knave can now lock Academy Pilot if it is at range 1-3 of "Dutch".

Comment: I think this might be a small oversight on the part of the designers. I'm expecting an errata.

As noted in my post, Advanced Sensors lets you bump or be bumped in one round, then acquire the lock before you move in the following round, thus letting you get your range 0 lock.

I'm delighted by the range 0 lock. I didn't realize that, and I'm adding a note to the wiki to share the joy. ^_^

Dutch + E-Wing is... neat. The "ignore range restrictions" vs "cannot lock at range 1" is a very interesting conundrum.