Apologies if its already here.. I couldn't find an easy answer with my search.

Does Wexley's card ability sequence prior to the Check Difficulty step and tie in with the Pattern Analyzer? Basically can he do a Speed 4 K-turn or Speed 3 T-roll, get his boost, then his free action or does the red maneuver stress him before he gets the boost, and only allow the action still (assuming he fully executed). The rule reference, discussing fully executed only talks about how far the ship moves along is selected maneuver, nothing about the check for stress at that point.

Thanks in advance.

I'm assuming you're asking about 2nd Edition, sorry if I'm mistaken about that but here goes:

Wexley's ability occurs after you execute the maneuver, which necessarily also means that it happens after the check stress step (it's part of executing a maneuver).

Compare the wording with Pattern Analyzer, which happens while you are executing a maneuver (it must do this in order to come before the check stress step).

Thanks,,, that is the way we worked it.. but what was confusing me was the wording on Wexley where it specifically stated fully execute, and the only time in the rules reference I could find that term used was with respect to performing a maneuver and the possibility of overlap. In the sequence it makes it sound like the determination of fully executed is made when the model is moved completely along the maneuver dial and does not overlap. Read that way, the timing of fully executing would come before the check stress step. That is just reading through the step by step example, place template, move ship, then remove template. With that and the description it reads like the determination of fully execute would have been after being moved, but prior to removing the maneuver template, as if you did overlap or were otherwise unable to compete your maneuver the wording was that at that time, not after you removed the template, you had not fully executed. The focus was not on having executed a maneuver, but having fully executed.

MANEUVER (Rules reference page 13)

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A ship can execute a maneuver by resolving the following steps in order:
1. Maneuver Ship: During this step, the ship moves using the matching template.
a. Take the template that matches the maneuver from the supply.
b. Set the template between the ship’s front guides (so that it is flush against the base).
c. Pick up and place the ship at the opposite end of the template and slide the rear guides of the ship into the template.
d. Return the template to the supply.
2. Check Difficulty: During this step, if the maneuver is red, the ship gains one stress token; if the maneuver is blue, the ship removes one stress token.

A ship can execute a maneuver by resolving the following steps in order:
1. Maneuver Ship
a. - d.

Pattern Analyser is used here.
Note: If you are stressed before maneuver you can't do an action because the stress will be removed on step 2.

2. Check Difficulty

Wexley's ability is used here.
Note: If you executed a red maneuver you can't do an action because the stress was added just before on step 2.

11 hours ago, Talonmies90 said:

Pattern Analyser is used here.

Note: If you are stressed before maneuver you can't do an action because the stress will be removed on step 2.

if you are stressed before maneuver you can't do a red maneuver so you can't activate Pattern Analyser

3 hours ago, Grendelator said:

if you are stressed before maneuver you can't do a red maneuver so you can't activate Pattern Analyser

You got me there

(cough) Try this...

5 hours ago, ah64pilot5 said:

Here is where my timing and description question arises:

I did not put the follow steps as they are secondary to my discussion.

The determination of fully or partially execute, reading this, is made when the ship arrives ad the end of its maneuver/movement, not at the complete end of the maneuver ship step. I say this as step C is where the determination of overlap, and subsequently a partially or fully executed maneuver would be determined. If the ship did not overlap, you would continue on to step D, but to get there you would have already made the determination that the maneuver was fully executed, fulfilling the condition on the ship card. If you did not, we do not go to step D yet, as we now have to resolve the partial execution steps in the overlap section (at which point fully executed is not even any consideration). It just seems like the timing description for fully executed happens at the end of step C, and before you remove the template in step D, which would then be an entire main step before the check difficulty. This same timing issue could arise for any ability which would activate on a partially executed maneuver also.

Also, the wording on the Pattern Analyzer card even alludes to the fully executed determination being made before the Check Difficulty step. "When you fully execute a maneuver, BEFORE (my emphasis) the Check Difficulty step.." That pretty much says that you make that determination before the end of the maneuver ship step, which would then allow an ability based on either the fully executed or even possible a partially executed maneuver to be used/taken while still in the Maneuver Ship step.

To be clear about this interaction:

You either fully execute or partially execute maneuvers based on whether or not you bumped. Whether a maneuver will be full or partial is known before the maneuver is complete. However, you are not finished with the full process of executing a maneuver until after the Check Stress step, and abilities that are triggered after fully/partially executing a maneuver cannot happen until you've completed the full process of executing a maneuver. The fact that you know before the check stress step whether the maneuver is fully or partially executed is irrelevant; either way checking stress happens before the maneuver is complete.

Basically, "after you fully execute a maneuver" also means "after you execute a maneuver."