Newbie Help

By morganthomas101, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Hello!

My wife just gave me the X-Wing game for Christmas. I have played it a few times and love it. One issue though. She purchased the first edition. I wanted to get your feedback on what I should do. I have the ability to still return it on Amazon. Should I return it or get a conversion kit? The conversion kit didn't seem to have a update to Luke Skywalker's X-wing. That's the only rebel ship I use currently. I only have the 3 ships that come with the core game. The conversion kit also has a ton of extra stuff for ships that I don't have...yet :)... My next ship will probably be the Millennium Falcon. I don't see an second edition version of that ship available.

So what do you guys recommend? Returning and getting the second edition or keeping the first edition and convert it when I get enough ships?

I would be described as a casual player at best. Not interested in tournaments at the moment.

You only need a 2nd Edition Conversion Kit if you have a collection of 1st Edition models. A conversion kit is not intended for a player with just a core set and probably a Millennium Falcon (the only 2nd Edition version available is the one from the "Solo" movie for the Scum & Villainy faction or a "converted" 1st edition one for Rebels or Resistance.)

Here is a recent discussion for a player in a similar situation as yourself. Though that player has a "Blue" 1st Edition Core while you would seem to have a "Red" 1st Edition Core.

Short version: if you're just going to play 1st edition at home just keep the gift and buy some 1st Edition expansions or a used 1st Edition collection.

If you have some other notion of playing like in a FLGS league/game night or a tourney or for just playing at home you would rather play 2nd Edition, the easiest thing to do is return the 1st Edition Core and get a 2nd Edition Core and then only buy 2nd Edition expansions or 2nd Edition compatible expansions like the TIE Reaper and Saw's Renegades.

A more difficult, or rather, a more costly thing to do is buy a used 1st Edition collection and appropriate conversion kits if you want to play 2nd Edition. You might also find on eBay seller's who have broken up a conversion kit into just a single class of ship's components.

Edited by Frimmel

My first instinct is to say "Return it and get the second edition". The 2nd edition core set comes with Luke (so you can keep playing him) and you only have to learn one rule set. However, 2nd edition doesn't have a large number of ships out for most factions yet, so if you want a lot of ships or are interested in getting something like the Falcon, you would have to buy 1st edition stuff and convert it at some point.

I think in this case, because you are playing casual, keeping the 1st edition core set, picking up a 2nd edition core set and a Rebel conversion kit might actually be a good choice. The second edition core set will give you some more ships and enough cardboard to fly 2 x-wings (and 6 TIE's) and the conversion kit will let you play with the other rebel ships (without the models) and all of the major upgrades. That will not give you much in the way of imperial or scum opponents for the rebels, but you can always just buy the 2nd edition expansion packs for those if you want.

Edited by Nspace

Honestly, where you are at the moment, I would purchase a 2nd Edition core set AND a T-65 and 2 TIE/ln Dials for 2nd Edition from either eBay or a Singles seller.

That way, you will have 2 X-Wings and 4 TIE Fighters. IIRC, you should also have enough to fly each ship together too.

When you get more into things, you can purchase an X-Wing expansion and 2 TIE/ln expansions, to further increase your collection as well as expanding the availability of cards available to the older two TIE fighters.

36 minutes ago, Damo1701 said:

Honestly, where you are at the moment, I would purchase a 2nd Edition core set AND a T-65 and 2 TIE/ln Dials for 2nd Edition from either eBay or a Singles seller.

That way, you will have 2 X-Wings and 4 TIE Fighters. IIRC, you should also have enough to fly each ship together too.

When you get more into things, you can purchase an X-Wing expansion and 2 TIE/ln expansions, to further increase your collection as well as expanding the availability of cards available to the older two TIE fighters.

I think this is a good idea but point out that T-65 and TIE/ln only conversion kit bits (maneuver dial, pilot cards, ship tokens) are tough to find.

21 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

I think this is a good idea but point out that T-65 and TIE/ln only conversion kit bits (maneuver dial, pilot cards, ship tokens) are tough to find.

There's nothign in either that's exclusive to the kits is there?

There are X Wings that are only in Saw's Renegades, but there's no content in the Conversion Kits for those two packs that's not in the Core or the expacs.

5 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

There's nothign in either that's exclusive to the kits is there?

There are X Wings that are only in Saw's Renegades, but there's no content in the Conversion Kits for those two packs that's not in the Core or the expacs.

Half of the named TIE/Ln pilots and a few of the named non-Partisan X-Wing pilots aren't in the 2.0 Core. I'd have to dig my core set out to put together a list but Scourge was the big one for me...

10 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Half of the named TIE/Ln pilots and a few of the named non-Partisan X-Wing pilots aren't in the 2.0 Core. I'd have to dig my core set out to put together a list but Scourge was the big one for me...

They're in the expac. There's nothing that's exclusive to the conversion kits.

The big thing is that keeping the 1st edition Core set and buying a 2nd edition Core set will get you 2 X-wings and 4 Tie fighters that are all playable in 2nd edition (and 1st edition for that matter), even without buying a conversion kit. This is what I would recommend instead of returning the 1st edition Core set.

As the next steps in collecting ships, I'd suggest Saw's Renegades and the TIE Reaper, which are both playable without a conversion kit. Then I would look at either conversion kits (with or without buying 1st edition models) or just going with 2nd edition expansions. Adding in a TIE Advanced x1 with Vader or Y-Wing can be lots of fun. :)

2 minutes ago, Nspace said:

The big thing is that keeping the 1st edition Core set and buying a 2nd edition Core set will get you 2 X-wings and 4 Tie fighters that are all playable in 2nd edition (and 1st edition for that matter), even without buying a conversion kit . This is what I would recommend instead of returning the 1st edition Core set.

Missing 3 dials to make it work outside of casual play. For casual play they can sub in the 1st ed TIE/Ln dials for 2 of them (green = blue, unchanged otherwise), but the 1st ed T-65 X-Wing dial is missing the 3 Speed Tallon Rolls.

2 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

There's nothign in either that's exclusive to the kits is there?

There are X Wings that are only in Saw's Renegades, but there's no content in the Conversion Kits for those two packs that's not in the Core or the expacs.

My understanding is that aside from ships not out\re-released there is nothing exclusive to the conversion kits.

My more salient point was that while you can find some sellers who have broken up conversion kits the stuff that has tended to go first is T-65, TIE \ln, TIE Interceptor, TIE Defender, and the Rebel A and B-wings.

5 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Missing 3 dials to make it work outside of casual play. For casual play they can sub in the 1st ed TIE/Ln dials for 2 of them (green = blue, unchanged otherwise), but the 1st ed T-65 X-Wing dial is missing the 3 Speed Tallon Rolls.

Drat, I forgot that about the X-wing dial. I still think I would try it though, if only because keeping the 1st edition core means getting extra dice and some extra obstacles to go along with the three models and bases that I'd want for 2nd edition anyway.

3 minutes ago, Nspace said:

Drat, I forgot that about the X-wing dial. I still think I would try it though, if only because keeping the 1st edition core means getting extra dice and some extra obstacles to go along with the three models and bases that I'd want for 2nd edition anyway.

I was agreeing with you otherwise. :) They should keep the 1st ed Core, pick up a 2nd ed Core and build from there.