Just now, Dabirdisdaword said:

So now it's about their timing? Buddy your goalposts are off the field now.

Keep telling yourself that.

6 minutes ago, Koing907 said:

But they didn't. And that was my point.

Here is the line you underlined:

"Could they have said so in an earlier article? Sure."

But they did say so. Both in article and nova. So yeah you've moved goalposts to their timing instead of statements. You have now called them out for not saying it "earlier" when it was still said before release.

I'm not telling myself anything I'm quoting your stupid words back at you.

Just now, Koing907 said:

That was for FFG to describe. I didn't expect anything.

That is evading the question. Clearly you did, because the current form does not meet your expectations. For example, you did not expect the restricted format to restrict that many ships. You say "they" and "the community", but it might as well be "I". That started the above quoted reply of SOTL and subsequently all your replies until now.

5 hours ago, Koing907 said:

I think the community is surprised that they've banned a large swath of the game from Hyperspace. Banning a problem pilot until a fix is implemented is probably what they expected. 

The community did know. You didn't and you feel tricked. I can understand that, but you have only yourself to blame and that you didn't inform yourself carefully enough. FFG's usual lack of communitcation was - surprisingly - not the case here.

A bit more looking means this faux outrage

19 minutes ago, Koing907 said:

You can't even find a taping!

is now also a thing of the past. Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMxk2OTzBs

You could have known.

7 minutes ago, Dabirdisdaword said:

Here is the line you underlined:

"Could they have said so in an earlier article? Sure."

But they did say so. Both in article and nova. So yeah you've moved goalposts to their timing instead of statements. You have now called them out for not saying it "earlier" when it was still said before release.

I'm not telling myself anything I'm quoting your stupid words back at you.

3 hours ago, Koing907 said:

Show me the "early" announcement where FFG outlined the Hyperspace format as we know it now.

Just now, Koing907 said:

Show me the "early" announcement where FFG outlined the Hyperspace format as we know it now.

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMxk2OTzBs

Subsequently spread through the competitive community (you know, the people who cared) by Dion and other community prominent figures.

1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMxk2OTzBs

Subsequently spread through the competitive community (you know, the people who cared) by Dion and other community prominent figures.

Did you have a time handy? I don't have the time to hunt through an hour+ long video to find your quote for you.

Definition Early: near the beginning of a particular time or period.

weeks before release qualifies.

you have now shifted the goalpost to the "early" statement and even that doesnt hold up. Are you just incapable of admitting that they told the community and you just didnt pay attention?

Just now, Koing907 said:

Did you have a time handy? I don't have the time to hunt through an hour+ long video to find your quote for you.

You were already too lazy to google a bit. It took me some few moments to find what you claimed does not exist. And now that you have, you are too lazy to watch it? lol

Just now, GreenDragoon said:

You were already too lazy to google a bit. It took me some few moments to find what you claimed does not exist. And now that you have, you are too lazy to watch it? lol

I'm not the one making the claim. And I"m sure not going to hunt through an hour+ long video for something I don't even know is there.

5 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

You were already too lazy to google a bit. It took me some few moments to find what you claimed does not exist. And now that you have, you are too lazy to watch it? lol

No but hes run out of room to move goalposts so now we're at the "refuse to look at evidence" phase. He'll never accept that his own assumptions led to feeling cheated, not anything anyone else did.

27 minutes ago, Koing907 said:

I'm not the one making the claim. And I"m sure not going to hunt through an hour+ long video for something I don't even know is there.

Dude. If you don’t want to go looking, that’s on you. But they presented evidence for their point. Ball’s in your court to either review what is presented or admit you don’t want to.

Now this interesting. Keep in mind that this was before release.

He says at 58:08min "The majority of normal tournaments are going to be unlimited, conversion kits bring-whatever-ship-you-want. Because the fact is, it's a very established, very large community and most players, at least initially, will be players who have collections already."

"There are going to be many many tournaments in that format. But! There are going to be high-level tournaments that are limited to just a set number of ships. And that limited format, there will be a path to worlds. There will be a path to the major tournaments. So there will certainly be a way for newer palyers who only have the newly released ships to play competitively..."

He also goes on at 1:00:00: "It is my sincere hope that stores will run at the store championship level or smaller torunament level whatever format they want. If they have a lot of new players and want to entice them, they can run an event that's just the limited format. [...] Don't quote me on this, some of these details are not finalized"

There are two ways to take this: obviously we will now hear "see, he lied!". Or we look at the 20+ large-ish (30+ players) that happened in extended. "At least initially" was almost exclusively extended. Plus, he asked not to be taken 100% literal on this because it wasn't finalized. What was finalized was the existence of a limited format. The extent was not!

What we see now is that the existence of the limited format proved to be right. The extent proved to be wrong.

I'm gonna wait until the hyperspace events are confirmed not to be a dumpster fire before I pick what I complain about.

Wow this thread is a ride.

10 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

Wow this thread is a ride.

If this thread were a ride, it would be called "Ball-Kick-a-Whirl." I keep clicking on it, hoping for a return to content, but every time I do I get kicked in the balls.

Which, you know, at this point that's on me.

48 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Now this interesting. Keep in mind that this was before release.

He says at 58:08min "The majority of normal tournaments are going to be unlimited, conversion kits bring-whatever-ship-you-want. Because the fact is, it's a very established, very large community and most players, at least initially, will be players who have collections already."

"There are going to be many many tournaments in that format. But! There are going to be high-level tournaments that are limited to just a set number of ships. And that limited format, there will be a path to worlds. There will be a path to the major tournaments. So there will certainly be a way for newer palyers who only have the newly released ships to play competitively..."

He also goes on at 1:00:00: "It is my sincere hope that stores will run at the store championship level or smaller torunament level whatever format they want. If they have a lot of new players and want to entice them, they can run an event that's just the limited format. [...] Don't quote me on this, some of these details are not finalized"

There are two ways to take this: obviously we will now hear "see, he lied!". Or we look at the 20+ large-ish (30+ players) that happened in extended. "At least initially" was almost exclusively extended. Plus, he asked not to be taken 100% literal on this because it wasn't finalized. What was finalized was the existence of a limited format. The extent was not!

What we see now is that the existence of the limited format proved to be right. The extent proved to be wrong.

Thanks so much for linking directly to this discussion. You should put this in its own thread!

Oh, Ive nearly posted here again many times and backed out. Lets get it done and be on our way.

3 things occur to me.

I don't have to prefer Hyperspace.

I don't have to stop playing Extended.

I can carry on using less optimal stuff and aiming for 50/50 records in both.

This seems fine.

1 hour ago, SabineKey said:

Dude. If you don’t want to go looking, that’s on you. But they presented evidence for their point. Ball’s in your court to either review what is presented or admit you don’t want to.

Or I'm posting from work, sneaking posts in between tasks, and don't want to watch a video right now. Maybe tomorrow. (I've got X-Wing tonight...)

2 minutes ago, Cuz05 said:

Oh, Ive nearly posted here again many times and backed out. Lets get it done and be on our way.

3 things occur to me.

I don't have to prefer Hyperspace.

I don't have to stop playing Extended.

I can carry on using less optimal stuff and aiming for 50/50 records in both.

This seems fine.

The first two things are completely true, the third one is up to you!

Just now, SOTL said:

The first two things are completely true, the third one is up to you!

That's just how I roll into everything

I'm allergic to fashionable things. My main aim is to avoid mirror matches for the entirety of 2.0.

11 minutes ago, Koing907 said:

Or I'm posting from work, sneaking posts in between tasks, and don't want to watch a video right now. Maybe tomorrow. (I've got X-Wing tonight...)

Fair enough. But it’s still on you.

49 minutes ago, Cuz05 said:

That's just how I roll into everything

I'm allergic to fashionable things. My main aim is to avoid mirror matches for the entirety of 2.0.

As someone who uses Deathrain but never Redline, who prefers Echo to Whisper, whose favorite Striker is Duchess, and whose general working philosophy is ‘look where I can fly’, I’m always a bit of an odd bird. PhilGC is my X-wing blogging spirit animal, as I am absolutely a hipster when it comes to building lists.

Winning is fine and all, and my record is quite good (I win something like 2/3-3/4 of my games pretty reliably, except when I’m really getting out there trying to see if I can make unloved pilots/ ships work). But for me it is far more fun to fly something unexpected and see if my list building theory works in practice.

Sometimes the answer is just No. but for me half the fun is seeing if my mad scientist concoction can work on the table.

I’ve still yet to fly 2.0 Boba. But you can bet I’ve tried every other named Firespray.

1 hour ago, KiAdiMoody said:

Thanks so much for linking directly to this discussion. You should put this in its own thread!

IIrc it was in its own thread late last spring...

to answer the original comment, I don’t particularly care for hyperspace format at this point in time, simply because the pilots/ships I want to use aren’t legal. This doesn’t stop other people from enjoying hyperspace, and if/when the format caters to my personal taste in ship, given the chance I will happily play it. (Also my local group is small, and they all prefer extended, so no need to upset the apple cart).

I can understand the frustrations of players who have a massive preference for Extended that the tournaments that are "worth something" (Worlds invites?) are limited to a handful of large events that you'd most likely have to travel to and you don't necessarily have the means to do so. That is a serious and legitimate bummer. In fact, I've looked zero at Hyperspace stuff at all yet, partially because I've got a plane ticket to Phoenix and partially because there aren't any lists that are exciting to me. This means that although I prefer the Extended format (even pre-new-points) the higher frequency and easier access to Hyperspace events doesn't bother me because I'm able to do the flight to another city to play my preferred spaceships thing, which is a luxury I'm thankful to have.

Its a tough spot to be in for sure, because looking forward to and practicing for big events is what gets me to the X-Wing table. If I'm not prepping for an event, I'm probably playing a different board game. When FFG tells you that the mid-size events near you will only allow 20% of the ships you own, and if you want to be able to use your full collection then you are either relegated to small store events, pick-up games, or once in a while you can travel to play in a large event that's rough.

If I were FFG, I'd do 3 month seasons for Hyperspace and alternate between the two. Any System Open events during a season are the opposite format. This has the other side effect of solving another issues I've heard minor rumblings about: that the "top tier" tournaments that are openly available (System Opens) are Extended only, and those people who prefer Hyperspace and also enjoy travelling to a national level competition get to have their cake and eat it too.