If I’m playing a squad with Lando’s Falcon can I use either the original trilogy falcon or the force awakens falcon model.

By tournament rules, technically, no. They have different model names, so the models are not intercompatible, but I very much doubt any opponent would care, as they are also not cross-faction. But be aware if you bring this to a tourney you're technically breaking the rules.

In casual play if anyone cares they're probably not worth playing with.

Just now, thespaceinvader said:

By tournament rules, technically, no. They have different model names, so the models are not intercompatible, but I very much doubt any opponent would care, as they are also not cross-faction. But be aware if you bring this to a tourney you're technically breaking the rules.

In casual play if anyone cares they're probably not worth playing with.

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5 minutes ago, tk426 said:

If I’m playing a squad with Lando’s Falcon can I use either the original trilogy falcon or the force awakens falcon model.

Just make sure to use the correct dial for the faction, all 3 have a different maneuver dial.

Let me ask this then. The new Y-Wing model that was released for 2.0 is different and has a different name than its 1.0 counterpart. But yet those models are interchangeable. What’s the difference.

7 minutes ago, tk426 said:

Let me ask this then. The new Y-Wing model that was released for 2.0 is different and has a different name than its 1.0 counterpart. But yet those models are interchangeable. What’s the difference.

In 2.0 they’re both BTLA-4 Y-Wings. Whereas the Rebel Falcon is a Modified YT-1300, Resistance is a Scavenged YT-1300, and the Scum is a Customized YT-1300. The YT-1300 names are different whereas the Y-Wings are both BTLA-4 Y-Wings.

Exactly. Technically you're in the same boat as an Imperial player filling out a 7-8 ship galactic empire TIE fighter swarm using the models for mining TIEs or TIE/fo.

As long as the base inserts and pilot cards are correct and your opponent is fully aware what they are, I can't see it being a problem, but the rules are technically on their side if they feel the need to object for some reason.

It might even be "more fluffy" to use the Resistance Falcon model in a Rebel list in some circumstances - specifically, Jakku-era scenarios.

Or the Rebel Falcon in Scum lists for scenarios set between Solo and ANH.

If going to a tournament ask the TO/store ahead of time.

If playing with friends casually, well they’re a bad friend if they’re going to make a stink about it - as long as you have the correct base, dial, etc. and you’re not using a model that could cause confusion (like flying a fang on the base of a hwk or something silly). The model is just the part that makes the game Star Wars and look cool - if one of the other YT models looks cooler in the squad then go for it. Just my opinion.

See, I justify it by either removing the pod in the mandibles- because at that point it makes ZERO difference, especially considering the Resistance Sympathizer HAS THE ROUND DISH so by that logic alone it should be okay, but see I say...

"Well, this guy's flying a stock YT."

Of course that's not entirely accurate, but I wanna' grab a couple more of them so I can modify them "From stock". That way, they're not just other millennium falcon models. I'm sure even Worlds guys could be like, "Yeah okay that's fair." to that.

34 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

See, I justify it by either removing the pod in the mandibles- because at that point it makes ZERO difference, especially considering the Resistance Sympathizer HAS THE ROUND DISH so by that logic alone it should be okay, but see I say...

"Well, this guy's flying a stock YT."

Of course that's not entirely accurate, but I wanna' grab a couple more of them so I can modify them "From stock". That way, they're not just other millennium falcon models. I'm sure even Worlds guys could be like, "Yeah okay that's fair." to that.

Will be carrying my Resistance Sympathizer card around now just in case anyone starts giving me **** on running my painted Rebel Falcon as Resistance.

9 minutes ago, Quack Shot said:

Will be carrying my Resistance Sympathizer card around now just in case anyone starts giving me **** on running my painted Rebel Falcon as Resistance.

**** right you will.

On ‎12‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 2:49 PM, thespaceinvader said:

By tournament rules, technically, no. They have different model names, so the models are not intercompatible, but I very much doubt any opponent would care, as they are also not cross-faction. But be aware if you bring this to a tourney you're technically breaking the rules.

In casual play if anyone cares they're probably not worth playing with.

Well now that is confusing, does it mean that the Y-wings have to be the Rebel ones for Rebel Alliance and for Scum I have yo use the MW one only? a YT-1300 is a YT-1300. I can understand a YT-2400 or a VT-49 Decimator being frown upon when used as a proxy for a Falcon.

6 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

Well now that is confusing, does it mean that the Y-wings have to be the Rebel ones for Rebel Alliance and for Scum I have yo use the MW one only? a YT-1300 is a YT-1300. I can understand a YT-2400 or a VT-49 Decimator being frown upon when used as a proxy for a Falcon.

The Y-Wings are both BTL-A4 Y-Wings and thus the same model of ship while the YT-1300s are divided up into (Scum) Customized YT-1300", (Rebels) "Modified YT-1300", and (Resistance) "Scavenged YT-1300" making the different models. The BTL-A4s also have the exact same dial while the 3 YT-1300s each have their own dial.

The Scavenged YT-1300 is the same as the Modified other than it looses the K-Turn and has the 3 and 4 straights increase in difficulty. The restriction is for visual reference reasons enabling the opponent to know what maneuvers the ship has without having to look at the pilot card to confirm which ship it is.

2 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

The Y-Wings are both BTL-A4 Y-Wings and thus the same model of ship while the YT-1300s are divided up into (Scum) Customized YT-1300", (Rebels) "Modified YT-1300", and (Resistance) "Scavenged YT-1300" making the different models. The BTL-A4s also have the exact same dial while the 3 YT-1300s each have their own dial.

The Scavenged YT-1300 is the same as the Modified other than it looses the K-Turn and has the 3 and 4 straights increase in difficulty. The restriction is for visual reference reasons enabling the opponent to know what maneuvers the ship has without having to look at the pilot card to confirm which ship it is.

Well, it should be obvious, playing against a Scum list, I am going to play against a scum falcon aka the Customized one. Unless OP is planning on some sort of faction mixing (which I am making a custom game options which does exactly that). If that were the case, then I can see insisting that the Salvaged YT have the rectangle dish and the Modified YT have the round one.

5 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

Well, it should be obvious, playing against a Scum list, I am going to play against a scum falcon aka the Customized one. Unless OP is planning on some sort of faction mixing (which I am making a custom game options which does exactly that). If that were the case, then I can see insisting that the Salvaged YT have the rectangle dish and the Modified YT have the round one.

Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda... The ruling reduces the likelihood of confusion and undermines what would have been a possible way to cheat in tournaments.

Just now, Hiemfire said:

Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda... The ruling reduces the likelihood of confusion and undermines what would have been a possible way to cheat in tournaments.

Besides, the fact the list would be invalid. With the Parker dialgate incident, cheaters are going to figure out better ways.

8 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

Besides, the fact the list would be invalid. With the Parker dialgate incident, cheaters are going to figure out better ways.

Only those already aware of the incident. Those who aren't could still try. Still, as thespaceinvader said, for casual games the model used should be a non-issue as long as the correct dial is used and the opponent has made clear to them which YT-1300 the ship is supposed to be. Thanks to the ***** though, TOs have rock solid grounds to ban a list not using the correct models to reduce the likelihood that the **** those ***** pulled will happen in tournaments again.

I remember when wave 6 came out and the dials came into question. Now with the dial upgrade kits dials should match the faction. But now with so many cross faction models becoming different ships all together 2nd edition has open itself to some inevitable mistakes, being unintentional or intentional.

2 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

But now with so many cross faction models

Other than the YT-1300 what are we talking about? The only ones close that I can think of that look similar enough are the /Lns and /Fos and they have different dials (/Fo has 3 sloops instead of the 3K). Z-95s are Z-95-AF4s for both Rebels and Scum with the same exact dials, so the models are interchangeable. The Republic Clone Z-95 was a completely different ship. The Modified TIE/Ln is a different looking model entirely and has a more or less worse dial. Which ones am I missing?

Y-wings, the one that started the whole conversation.

3 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

Y-wings, the one that started the whole conversation.

🤨 The BTL-A4 models are permitted cross faction with Rebels and Scum they have the same designation and same exact dial... Republic Clone Y-Wings being so is doubtful, different ship much like the Clone Z-95s.

Frankly, if I'm playing someone who is using a different model of YT-1300, I don't care. If they have the correct card/insert for their faction, that's all I need. The model is very much secondary for me.

7 hours ago, Marinealver said:

Well, it should be obvious, playing against a Scum list, I am going to play against a scum falcon aka the Customized one. Unless OP is planning on some sort of faction mixing (which I am making a custom game options which does exactly that). If that were the case, then I can see insisting that the Salvaged YT have the rectangle dish and the Modified YT have the round one.

Like I said. Technically against the rules but in practice it's likely 0 people will care.

But if you're going to like... nationals or whatever it's called now it's probably worth bringing the right model along just in case.

17 hours ago, Quack Shot said:

Will be carrying my Resistance Sympathizer card around now just in case anyone starts giving me **** on running my painted Rebel Falcon as Resistance.

The card art doesn't change the rules. Just for the record.

I'm assuming for tournament play, the same rules apply to TIE Fighters as well.

I just got the First Order Core Set, which comes with 7 TIE FO dials. I only got the FO's that came with the core set. In casual play, if I want to run more than two, I'll just use my TIE LN's models because who cares, right? The dial is an FO dial. The pilot cards are FO pilots, etc. I just don't feel like buying up 5 TIE FO's unless they're super, super cheap, when I have a model that can do the job anyways.

On 12/25/2018 at 7:12 PM, Marinealver said:

Well now that is confusing, does it mean that the Y-wings have to be the Rebel ones for Rebel Alliance and for Scum I have yo use the MW one only? a YT-1300 is a YT-1300. I can understand a YT-2400 or a VT-49 Decimator being frown upon when used as a proxy for a Falcon.

Well, see...

If I sub-out a falcon for a falcon, does the falcon still falcon the same if the falcon dial is another falcon's dial?

It still looks falcon the same to me.