im weighing up who is better with Han gunner for scum. Bob/mauaruder/han seems like standard setup for scum but kavil/dorsal turret/proton torps/R4 astro/han also very strong.

my thinking is... Boba is the better endgame ship but he is hampered more by stress than kavil. Boba is better at range 3 once torps are spent and kavil quite reliant on the torps to punch thru range 3 damage. at range one they are both strong but Boba has far superior defense with 2 agility and rerolls. Very even if you had to pick just one. Boba soaks up way more points so if u take kavil u also get a filler ship like jakku gunrunner which is perhaps worth it?

Boba. Not even close to a question.

Just now, thespaceinvader said:

Boba. Not even close to a question.

its close. boba hates stress and there are times when stressing him for an extra focus is going to hurt you. isnt not an automatic free focus for Boba because that stress messes with your mobility making him much more predictable. Kavil with R4 has really no reason not to take the focus because he sheds stress more easily. Range 3 fully moded torps is really good and kavil has ability to reload them.

Here's a question. Does anyone run missiles or proton rockets on Boba? As to the topic I think Han (Gunner) is better suited for Boba Fett.

Kavil. He doesn't care as much about stress clears it much easier and needs the mod more.

I don't know if this is the right question... they both seem pretty darn good.

Might be a matter of list/play style preference.

I’ve had similar thought as OP: Which is better, Kabul + Quad, or Boba. They are both really, really good.

With Iggy crew Boba cares a lot less about it. Kavil can put some work in every turn with Han and torps and a 4 dice turret at range 1.

16 minutes ago, viedit said:

With Iggy crew Boba cares a lot less about it. Kavil can put some work in every turn with Han and torps and a 4 dice turret at range 1.

kavil at range one is scary. i tried dengar on boba so i could have han gunner on kavil in same list. dengar wasnt worth the points. kavil was a beat stick. i just hate that he has 1 agility because he melts to concentrated fire.

4 minutes ago, Da_Brown_Bomber said:

kavil at range one is scary. i tried dengar on boba so i could have han gunner on kavil in same list. dengar wasnt worth the points. kavil was a beat stick. i just hate that he has 1 agility because he melts to concentrated fire.

Well, if you are playing kavil right, hopefully you torped the crap out of something in the first engagement, it's on fire, and you can hop to range one and init kill it the next turn. Or hope a friend can finish off what Kavil started. He should be able to shrug off 2 torp hits or 2+ range one hits from something. But that's really last resort. He wants to be a range 2-3 torpedo slinger.

really depends what ur playing against. u obviously want o get ur torps off early. how they approach u matters. they will put something in harms way that they want u to shoot at and either flank with a speedy ship (soontir, fenn or enemy boba perhaps).

my point is with kavil with torps they will approach u differently than with say boba/4-LOM/Palob. kavil is good at all ranges, as long as he has u in his firing arc at range 2-3 and isnt getting shot at range one. id say hi is more skill intensive to fly compared to boba because u want to maximise his turret +1 effect wout getting too many return shots to the face. Its probably just the fact i have way more experience flying the firespray, although medium base is a bit diff to 1.0 version with large base.

2 hours ago, Da_Brown_Bomber said:

kavil/proton torps/R4 astro/han

No Dorsal? Prots don't proc Kavil's ability, they're a front arc weapon.

2 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

No Dorsal? Prots don't proc Kavil's ability, they're a front arc weapon.

edit made. DT is an auto include on kavil. unless u wanna run ion for a meta call.

i missed it off my initial post (edit made)

Well, if I had Boba and Kavil in the same list, then Han would go on Kavil and it's not even close.

But if I had to pick either Boba + Han or Kavil + Han to build a list around it would be Boba and it's not even close.

I found the stress given to Boba extremely limiting. It is a great combo on him, it's just not something you can use every turn.

I use both Kavil and Boba in the same list, Han goes on Kavil. Dengar on Boba and I put IG on him also for the double calculates.

5 hours ago, bamhvac said:

I use both Kavil and Boba in the same list, Han goes on Kavil. Dengar on Boba and I put IG on him also for the double calculates.

tried a similar list. wast that impressed with dengar tho. for 6pts i found him a bit of a fizzler tbh.

21 hours ago, Da_Brown_Bomber said:

tried a similar list. wast that impressed with dengar tho. for 6pts i found him a bit of a fizzler tbh.

Useful against some lists more than others. Also easy to drop if there is a large point increase for Boba and Maurader.

On 12/17/2018 at 4:27 PM, Maui. said:

Well, if I had Boba and Kavil in the same list, then Han would go on Kavil and it's not even close.

But if I had to pick either Boba + Han or Kavil + Han to build a list around it would be Boba and it's not even close.

I was trying a Debris Gambit/Maul/Slave 1 Boba Fett the other day. I kind of liked it. Lots of action flexibility, and you don't need to take stress most of the time. I'd paired it with a Han Falcon, which I felt like I couldn't get work out of. I don't think I ever rolled more than 2 hits on my obstructed 4-dice attacks, even with Lando attached giving me rerolls. Flying a Kavil with Han gunner and... Ahhav? Some kind of Scyk? might be an OK list.

Am I missing something? Isn’t kavil scarier with veteran turret gunner to double tap with primary+turret at range 1 with focus?

2 minutes ago, DakkaDakka12 said:

Am I missing something? Isn’t kavil scarier with veteran turret gunner to double tap with primary+turret at range 1 with focus?

With Han Gunner + R4 Kavil can use his action for lock or rotate and still get the mod from Han's Focus. Vet Turret Gunner Kavil does have a higher top end but Han Kavil is more consistent. Consistency draws the more competitive, especially with Han Gunner costing half of Vet Turret Gunner's cost.

As we're talking on gunners for boba... is Veteran Tail Gunner that uninteresting? I find it to be a bit one-dimensional if I have to put Hand with Boba every time

I actually don't think Han synergizes well with Boba at all. There isn't another action Boba really wants to be doing all the time: he rarely needs a lock, and doesn't always want to boost, and Reinforce is red can't be done with Han, and when he does Han he's really limited with his blue options. It's not a case where it's some kind of broken combo; Han/Boba is really just putting two very powerful pieces together.

Presumably, Han (and maybe Marauder) will go up a few points next month, and once that happens you'll see a few different gunners pop up on Boba. Or perhaps even--dare I say it--the Slave I title.

7 minutes ago, Maui. said:

I actually don't think Han synergizes well with Boba at all. There isn't another action Boba really wants to be doing all the time: he rarely needs a lock, and doesn't always want to boost, and Reinforce is red can't be done with Han, and when he does Han he's really limited with his blue options. It's not a case where it's some kind of broken combo; Han/Boba is really just putting two very powerful pieces together.

Presumably, Han (and maybe Marauder) will go up a few points next month, and once that happens you'll see a few different gunners pop up on Boba. Or perhaps even--dare I say it--the Slave I title.

Not a chance for slave 1 with boba the only firespray pilot who MIGHT want that title if it is priced competitively with marauder is Krassis bc his pilot ability includes marauder’s reroll (nobody expects a surprise proton out the rear!)

You know it’s unfortunate the new firespray pilots are initiative 3 bc as 4’s they would feel like an acceptable option.

Just now, DakkaDakka12 said:

Not a chance for slave 1 with boba the only firespray pilot who MIGHT want that title if it is priced competitively with marauder is Krassis bc his pilot ability includes marauder’s reroll (nobody expects a surprise proton out the rear!)

Yes, Boba Fett definitely needs the Marauder title because rerolls are otherwise impossible for him to achieve