Who would be viable to fill that role in the future?
Do you think Cad Bane has what it takes?
CIS Ace
For some reason I picture Cad Bane at I4.
I could see Asajj having a higher initiative in her Fanblade starfighter.
I think one of the distinguishing factors of the CIS is going to be few or no aces in the traditional sense. Instead they will have other tricks based around numbers and mutual support to make up the difference,
General Grievous is only initiative 4. Maul and Dooku are only 5 (and the only I5s that look like we are going to see for the CIS in Wave 3), and the former is probably going to be bound to a large ship.
I could see Bane being 5 or 6. And Ventress 4 or 5. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the CIS never gets an I6.
8 minutes ago, GeneralVryth said:I think one of the distinguishing factors of the CIS is going to be few or no aces in the traditional sense. Instead they will have other tricks based around numbers and mutual support to make up the difference,
General Grievous is only initiative 4. Maul and Dooku are only 5 (and the only I5s that look like we are going to see for the CIS in Wave 3), and the former is probably going to be bound to a large ship.
I could see Bane being 5 or 6. And Ventress 4 or 5. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the CIS never gets an I6.
Uuuuh I’m pretty sure Dooku is only i3?
1 minute ago, SpiderMana said:Uuuuh I’m pretty sure Dooku is only i3?
Nah, I am pretty sure it's 5. If you look at the announcement article you can see the init 3 ship second from the right, and Dooku is third from the right and the number isn't the same.
54 minutes ago, GeneralVryth said:Nah, I am pretty sure it's 5. If you look at the announcement article you can see the init 3 ship second from the right, and Dooku is third from the right and the number isn't the same.
It is the same tho? It’s definitely more different from Maul’s 5. He’s not an ace pilot, he’s a policitian and laser-sword duelist with a strong connection to the force. Not somebody who’s going to push the limits of a ship like the Infiltrator.
Perhaps tri-fighters could have a ship ability that lets them be a kind of unconventional ace. Maybe spending a calculate token at the start of engagement to boost or barrel roll.
Just spit balling
Edited by Hippie MoosenSorry, a little tangential but I had a thought about the i6 thing and being an "ace"...
"Initiative" was chosen instead of "pilot skill" as the wording in 2.0 for a reason I think... it's generally associated with how skilled the pilot is but not strictly correlated.
Initiative 5 is where most of the ace pilots are, and Initiative 6 exists more as a control element via information denial. There's a reason Kylo Ren is i5 and Fenn Rau and Han Solo are i6. Han's weird luck, sharp wits, and cool demeanor make him able to best pilots and ships which are on paper far better than him. Fenn Rau is an ace pilot, but he also has a level of strategic mastery that is otherwise unseen in the Scum and Villainy faction. Darth Vader can use the force to predict his opponents' maneuvers and respond. All of these are examples of things represented by i6 in this game.
So all that being said, just because the CIS doesn't have a lot of ace pilots doesn't mean they won't have an i6. Jango Fett for example always has some sort of trick up his sleeve, allowing him to elude even a Jedi master.
As far as aces go, I think Ventress could be an interesting option for them, or perhaps the magnaguard starfighters.
Edited by KieransiCad Bane would be a good pick, but would he really be Separatist instead of Scum?
Slightly disappointed with the good general overall, in fact. My friend came up with a fantastic ability to represent his resourcefulness and cowardice all in one: When shielded, you can reroll one attack die. When unshielded, you instead can reroll one defense die. (Or something to that effect)
Instead he gets an ability that doesn't gel at all with his initiative. He's fine at I4, I don't remember him being particularly apt in a fighter. But the fact that he was able to escape Anakin Skywalker at one point is something I think they could have represented better in a more appropriate ability.
Personally I think the CIS could use an Ace in Cade Bane. An I6 fighter will always be a potential answer to an initiative meta whenever it comes about so I think it's good for the CIS to have that option.
7 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:Cad Bane would be a good pick, but would he really be Separatist instead of Scum?
I think that Cad would be CIS because he'd be piloting a rogue class fighter, which is a CIS ship.
Just now, Prosk_019 said:I think that Cad would be CIS because he'd be piloting a rogue class fighter, which is a CIS ship .
Seems a bit wistful to me. Xanadu Blood was a Rogue, but Cad Bane was never CIS...
I like the idea of a faction with I6 no aces, probably allows them to put some really cool cards in there that will always have counter play
No I6s?? Come on guys what about the CIS pilot that shot Anakin down?
Tofen Vane:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tofen_Vane
2 minutes ago, GILLIES291 said:No I6s?? Come on guys what about the CIS pilot that shot Anakin down?
Tofen Vane:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tofen_Vane
Thank you! I was worried no one was gonna mention the HERO OF THE CONFEDERACY, Tofen Vane. Absolute I6, basically a would-have-been Jedi Master who was kept from the door-to-door Jedi Youngling Abductors by his father, and was later manipulated by the plotting of Count Dooku to throw-in whole hog with the CIS.
I sure wouldn’t get your hopes up for Legends characters at this point in the game.
19 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:I sure wouldn’t get your hopes up for Legends characters at this point in the game.
Baron Fel, Jan and Kyle disagree with that statement. If they need pilots for a ship they'll pull from whatever.
12 minutes ago, GILLIES291 said:Baron Fel, Jan and Kyle disagree with that statement. If they need pilots for a ship they'll pull from whatever.
And Talonbane Cobra ... FFG has demonstrated they aren't afraid to dredge someone out of the LEGENDS bog when they need an ace for a faction.
1 hour ago, GILLIES291 said:No I6s?? Come on guys what about the CIS pilot that shot Anakin down?
Tofen Vane:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tofen_Vane
Wow, what a lazy name.
9 hours ago, GILLIES291 said:Baron Fel, Jan and Kyle disagree with that statement. If they need pilots for a ship they'll pull from whatever.
8 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:
And Talonbane Cobra ... FFG has demonstrated they aren't afraid to dredge someone out of the LEGENDS bog when they need an ace for a faction.
I said at this point in the game.
I’m well aware that many of the pilots in the game are from legends. But excepting Fel, the ones you referenced are all piloting ships from legends. And more importantly, all of them were carried over from first edition.
The thing is, many legends pilots didn’t make the cut to 2.0. And to my knowledge they didn’t add any new legends pilots to 2.0. I just get the feeling that they’re moving away from that direction, so I wouldn’t get your hopes up. I didn’t say it’s impossible.
They pulled First Order I6 pilots out of thin air, I'm sure it won't be a problem whether or not they decide to use Legends.
17 hours ago, Hiemfire said:Seems a bit wistful to me. Xanadu Blood was a Rogue, but Cad Bane was never CIS...
Oh it's certainly wishful thinking on my part.
I choose to look at it like this: rogue class fighters are probably gonna make it to x wing eventually and it won't do so without Cad Bane as a pilot.
5 hours ago, SpiderMana said:The thing is, many legends pilots didn’t make the cut to 2.0. And to my knowledge they didn’t add any new legends pilots to 2.0. I just get the feeling that they’re moving away from that direction, so I wouldn’t get your hopes up. I didn’t say it’s impossible.
Huh? Almost every Legends pilot from 1.0 made it into 2.0, with only a few exceptions that can be counted on almost one hand (e.g. Tycho, E'tahn, etc.). But the vast majority are still there (e.g. Dash, Leebo, Ibitsam, Talonbane, Palob, Torkil, Kavil, Miranda, Esege, Soontir, Vessery, etc etc etc).
FFG
has
even brought some Legends characters into X-Wing 2.0, with pilots like
Gavin Darklighter
appearing in 2.0 despite not being in 1.0 and clearly being Legends. The First Order TIEs have all been given new "not canon" callsigns as FFG is moving away from the past "Zeta Ace" and "Epsilon Leader" convention.
So, I don't think there's any reason to suspect that Legends pilots will be any less common in 2.0 than they were in 1.0, and one can make a strong argument that a character like Tofen Vane is much more mainstream than a "Talonbane Cobra," for instance.
I5...End of story...no argument is valid
(it's Johnny 5; for people who were not born a million years ago...)
Is an ace "a good pilot with high initiative?"
Or is an ace "a good pilot with strong re-positional ability?"
Pretty important and different concepts.
6 minutes ago, svelok said:Is an ace "a good pilot with high initiative?"
Or is an ace "a good pilot with strong re-positional ability?"
Pretty important and different concepts.
The answer is some of both. In my mind, an ace is a pilot with a high initiative with enough repositioning options that they aren't trivial to outmaneuver. A good pilot ability just cements the idea (especially if it keys off of positioning). Soontir is the pinnacle ace by that definition at the moment. Darth Vader being number 2 (or maybe claiming the top spot) with Supernatural Reflexes. Anakin on the Aethersprite will likely be the defining example once he is released.