11 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Matt swapped roles. Submitted by me.

Also the magic mirror crafter was submitted by me and would explain the two deads the night before.

Mad confirmed Time Traveler which was swapped with you but you're not the Time Traveler anymore as you say and LP wasn't either. No sense at all as the Time Traveler was not stolen to you or you never ever played that role. I am missing something here but not clue at all.

The vig could have been explained also with some kind of provider. I got binoculars first night so maybe a gun could have been distributed too. I also got fruits everynight I didn't eat. I fed my imaginary bunny and I dunno why Pod allowed me to unleash it and I killed LTD before I realized who he could be. When I was going to change the target Pod already started the day.

Jabba must be town. He must be a genius to claim a role he didn't know someone submitted. He is the only confirmed town to me (also me).

I don't know about CNinja. As I said there are other options to explain the shot on Biggs. If CNinja first and Jabba later could clarify the Vig/Desperado thing then I am ok moving on Clon.

There is no logic explanation to what happened around Clon. He said he lost his first role at the good time. He also seemed to confirm the role he "gave" to Mad. He lied about LP which seemed townie to me but now he is a fruit vendor who gives fruit that made my rabbit go crazy and must be also the Time Traveler but the Human Resources changes roles so I cannot see a way he may stack several roles. But the fruit is still around.

I never liked, I said what I thought happened based on the information I had. I knew 1: I started as a clepto. 2: I became the time Traveler and 3:I became a fruit vender.

I assumed LP became the time Traveller because he said he was role swapped, I was clearly wrong but we weren't able to work all of that out because Cninja Ended the Day before they (mad and LP) were able to respond to my theory (it was a theory and I never claimed to know for 100% what happened) they were then conveniently killed before we could work out what happened.

The first line should read "I never lied" dam autocorrect...

My current theory is that Pod changed my role for some balance issue perhaps?

I am thinking this because I still have the time Traveler win condition.

2 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

fruit vender

Ebon (reliable source, I know) mentioned a scum fruit vendor submission...

9 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Ebon (reliable source, I know) mentioned a scum fruit vendor submission...

Well perhaps he submitted it, but it doesn't change the fact that I became a fruit vender on the third day. I personally think he was spouting total BS to cause confusion. Because there was no evidence of his Other role

2 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

Well perhaps he submitted it, but it doesn't change the fact that I became a fruit vender on the third day. I personally think he was spouting total BS to cause confusion. Because there was no evidence of his Other role

The unavoidable fact is this: if it’s not Ovi, and it’s not me, it’s either Ninja or you. And Ninja killed a scum in front of everyone.

32 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

The vig could have been explained also with some kind of provider. I got binoculars first night so maybe a gun could have been distributed too. I also got fruits everynight I didn't eat. I fed my imaginary bunny and I dunno why Pod allowed me to unleash it and I killed LTD before I realized who he could be. When I was going to change the target Pod already started the day.

So if I'm understanding this, you caused LTDs death? So there wasn't a scum target last night?

Just now, The Jabbawookie said:

The unavoidable fact is this: if it’s not Ovi, and it’s not me, it’s either Ninja or you. And Ninja killed a scum in front of everyone.

He also inturupted a important discussion which would have cleared no less then 3 town, (2 of which died that night) hmmm? I thought he was town but maybe not. I know Ebon LOVES Scum infighting to gain town cred, which is why Biggs attacked him so early day 1 and a possible reason Cnija used his ability against a teammate.

Although I still don't think he is a Scum (if he is he deserves a win) I am more suspect of jabba still. Let me reread your posts.

1 minute ago, clontroper5 said:

I am more suspect of jabba still

Lol. I would’ve had to guess the presence of a restless spirit submission, know the role hadn’t been used, and hoped you wouldn’t kill me anyway, which, again, you all can, right now, to prove my innocence.

I’m done playing with my food.

##vote Clon

4 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Lol. I would’ve had to guess the presence of a restless spirit submission, know the role hadn’t been used, and hoped you wouldn’t kill me anyway, which, again, you all can, right now, to prove my innocence.

now wait a minute, Why?

having had 3 roles this game, none of these assumptions are necessarily true.

On 12/19/2018 at 12:21 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Hi all!

1. ##unvote @LTD . I am a Jedi, like my father before me.

2. @EbonHawk not being given his faction before submitting his second role is shady AF. We don’t know exactly why or how Pod’s system works, but when one player gets treated differently by the mod, that can’t go unanswered. Biggs already asked if anyone else had Ebon’s experience; crickets on that, right?

So for now, ##vote EbonHawk.

Ninja’s Biggs accusation is interesting to me as well. This may help shed a little light.

On 12/19/2018 at 1:38 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

That's certainly a plausible explanation. Pod should've designed the role himself to avoid precisely this, but it's possible. The real question is this: we have some chance that you are lying and this is a scumslip. There are loose connections in this push to me, Matt, Biggs and Ninja. If you flip town, we know you're telling the truth about the roles you gave. This is a fair amount of data and a respectable lead for a D1 lynch. Would you not vote you right now, in anyone else's shoes?

On 12/20/2018 at 11:33 AM, The Jabbawookie said:

I can claim if you guys want, not too worried. Killing me is actually a fine move for town, I just personally know it’s a waste of time.

On 12/20/2018 at 11:54 AM, The Jabbawookie said:

Yes, I'm sure you are.

I'm actually a Restless Spirit. You can silence me, but you can't silence my vote.

On 12/20/2018 at 12:03 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Yes, I still vote.

1. I don't know, very unlikely.

2. It was not specified, so I assume I put it here.

On 12/20/2018 at 12:05 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Again not specified, which seems to pretty clearly say game end.

On 12/20/2018 at 12:12 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

And let the record show that while I won't be heartbroken if you kill me, I'd really rather get to talk and think killing Ebon gives us more.

Especially as you don't say "excellent," Ebon, you say "game-breaking" and "very very powerful." That's weird.

On 12/20/2018 at 12:18 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

No, I think what you say is true. But the first thing that goes through your head, that you seem to emphasize, is game balance and how it matches to scum. And the info you want is exactly what scum would want to know (which is why I may or may not be giving you the truth on the specifics at the moment.) And I've given multiple reasons for wanting to push you, this is just one more note of interest.

On 12/20/2018 at 12:26 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Would anyone else like to claim Restless Spirit? Lynch All Liars is pretty great in this scenario.

On 12/20/2018 at 12:31 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Exactly why I'm asking for other claims. Because trading a scum for a spirit is a bad deal for scum, great for town.

There's nothing really to say Mads and I aren't scum.

If I'm town, Mads is *probably* not scum, because he would be fact-checked by the real submitter. Unless he's telling the truth and scum.

On 12/20/2018 at 12:31 PM, Madaghmire said:

I mean, I submitted it cuz i thought it could work however pod wanted it to. It doesn’t have to be any faction. I’m just confirmed I submitted it, I’m not confirming Jabba’s alignment since I have no idea what it is, as Pod could have used that role anyway he liked.

On 12/20/2018 at 12:33 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Yeah, it's a dumb thing to lie about.

On 12/20/2018 at 12:39 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

On 12/20/2018 at 12:44 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Looks like it.

Ebon, what do you mean exactly by "made up make believe?"

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Restless_Spirit

On 12/20/2018 at 12:49 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Wait just a minute.

@EbonHawk :

I'm curious, because basically he just wanted modifiers.

On 12/20/2018 at 12:59 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

LOL

On 12/20/2018 at 2:03 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

On 12/20/2018 at 2:24 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

We hammered Ebon, it's twilight.

On 12/22/2018 at 5:27 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Well, we have a confirmed town in @ovinomanc3r . Poor Matt was clearly town AF. And I think I’m all but confirmed as town and near pointless to kill for scum unless I’m getting somewhere. Leaving for possible suspects:

@LTD and @GhostofNobodyInParticular : they’ve been pretty quiet. (Pot to kettle, except I don’t actually need to worry.) Talk, guys; I’m fine with voting you right now, whether to apply pressure or in the event a better option doesn’t present itself.

@BiggsIRL : He leapt on Ebon right after Matt. He leapt off too though when real pressure was being applied. I may well revisit that decision, but for now I tenuously think he’s town. He’s also been active and fairly constructive.

@CaribbeanNinja : pulled no punches with Ebon when it mattered, in fact helped build the momentum. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying town for now. Still, he’s slippery as they come.

@Madaghmire : He’s been relatively quiet, but helpful. Will revisit when more happens, but I have no read yet.

@clontroper5 : The late hammer on Ebon was good, but it was a done deal by then. Unsure.

@Lord Preyer : I don’t mind flavor. But we need real content. You were also pushing away from Ebon if memory serves. Red flags.

##vote LP for the moment.

On 12/22/2018 at 9:03 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

I now feel better about putting Ninja on my nice list.

On 12/23/2018 at 11:35 AM, The Jabbawookie said:

Some content to be sure, but not proportional to the post count and thicker than even your standard. The vote is not vengeful, but you initiated a push on town over a decent case on someone who flipped scum. That doesn’t prove your guilt by any stretch of the imagination, but I don’t mind hanging my vote on you for a bit to get conversation going. Think of me as a border collie nipping at slow heels.

On 12/26/2018 at 8:56 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

I’m 99% certain I know Ninja’s role as one of my submissions, if we needed another reason to call him clear.

Which leaves Clon, GNiP and LTD. Likely 2 hostiles. Some theories for the delay in death two:

X-shot

Mentor/Mentee

Protection Role

I’ll be reviewing posts in a bit.

On 12/26/2018 at 10:26 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

We’ll know when we kill one. Either way, we must behave as though there are two for Lylo purposes.

On 12/26/2018 at 10:35 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

I’ll keep you posted.

On 12/27/2018 at 10:24 AM, The Jabbawookie said:

LTD has been breadcrumbing at the start as unlynchable or the like. Doesn’t mean he’s telling the truth though, and I’d feel comfortable voting him.

That said, I’m most tempted to go for GNiPs given his lack of analysis this entire game. Putting forth theories and reads isn’t just how you help others; it’s how others read you. His quiet felt a little weird.

Is Clon off the table? I only understood about one-third of Ovi’s analysis.

On 12/27/2018 at 10:59 AM, The Jabbawookie said:

Unless you’re scum and it’s limited use.

On 12/27/2018 at 11:01 AM, The Jabbawookie said:

Do we see the votes being turned back on us in the pre-hammer vote count?

Also, let’s encourage the person we choose to vote LTD and see what impact it has on their hammer.

On 12/27/2018 at 1:06 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Yep, that makes sense, thanks.

Let's test LTD's artifact to see if it works.

##vote @GhostofNobodyInParticular

On 12/27/2018 at 1:22 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

If that's true, I can't withdraw it. 🙁

##unvote if it matters.

On 12/27/2018 at 1:58 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

I've unvoted. It's just a question of whether Pod allows that or not. Or whether LTD is lying about his artifact.

16 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Do we get to know who he was?

16 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Also, @clontroper5 , got anything very, very persuasive to say?

5 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

I submitted Desperado, can’t confirm vig.

5 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

@CaribbeanNinja since there’s one left, we can make my chances of being scum completely zero.

1. Kill me.

2. Ovino dies in the night, as the only mod-confirmed town, or you die in the night just because.

3. Scum gets lynched 2 to 1.

So with that in mind,

100% Clon.

3 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

I meant vote me down, actually.

3 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

There are four of us. Kill me, three. NK, two plus my vote. Enough to still scum.

3 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

And no, I’m actually just interested in scumhunting by whatever means necessary. Being lynched isn’t something I want, but every option should be on the table right now.

38 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Ebon (reliable source, I know) mentioned a scum fruit vendor submission...

22 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

The unavoidable fact is this: if it’s not Ovi, and it’s not me, it’s either Ninja or you. And Ninja killed a scum in front of everyone.

11 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Lol. I would’ve had to guess the presence of a restless spirit submission, know the role hadn’t been used, and hoped you wouldn’t kill me anyway, which, again, you all can, right now, to prove my innocence.

I’m done playing with my food.

##vote Clon

On 12/18/2018 at 2:44 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

##vote @LTD

Chuckles get knuckles...

every Jabba post...

12 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Lol. I would’ve had to guess the presence of a restless spirit submission, know the role hadn’t been used, and hoped you wouldn’t kill me anyway, which, again, you all can, right now, to prove my innocence.

I’m done playing with my food.

##vote Clon

firstly i beliave you are a restless spirit, but I want to point out this:

 On 12/20/2018 at 12:31 PM, Madaghmire said:

I mean, I submitted it cuz i thought it could work however pod wanted it to. It doesn’t have to be any faction. I’m just confirmed I submitted it, I’m not confirming Jabba’s alignment since I have no idea what it is, as Pod could have used that role anyway he liked.

On 12/20/2018 at 12:31 PM, Madaghmire said:

I mean, I submitted it cuz i thought it could work however pod wanted it to. It doesn’t have to be any faction. I’m just confirmed I submitted it, I’m not confirming Jabba’s alignment since I have no idea what it is, as Pod could have used that role anyway he liked.

here is a proper quote of it

also I should mention my Win condition as time traveler, it directly contradicts the Scum win condition which would have made the game LITTERALLY UNWINNNABLE if i was scum.

here is my Time traveler role:

Time Traveler - [Player B] Aligned (You have been sent here from the future to fix the past! If only your fellow townsfolk would see it that way. Thanks to having lived through all this, you know what needs to be done to change the past and make sure that the world changes.

Once Per Game after day 1 - ##Temporal Paradox - Use this anytime to instantly end the current phase. No night actions will be used, and the game state will revert to just after to the hammer on the previous day (votes on who they were on just prior to the hammer, but before the final vote was cast.)

What is important is making sure that [Player B] survives. They died in your timeline, and you're back to make sure that they make it. You win if [Player B] survives to the end of the game.)

Player B in this game is Ovi.

i maintained this win condition when i became a fruit vender, and seeing as Ovi is a Confirmed town and Scums goal is to Kill all the town its not me. Now i am not sure if it is Cninja or Jabba but i know its not me and its not Ovi

12 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

every Jabba post...

That proofs he claimed before any role were swapped. It cannot be more Town.

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

That proofs he claimed before any role were swapped. It cannot be more Town.

what is?

13 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

firstly i beliave you are a restless spirit, but I want to point out this:

 On 12/20/2018 at 12:31 PM, Madaghmire said:

I mean, I submitted it cuz i thought it could work however pod wanted it to. It doesn’t have to be any faction. I’m just confirmed I submitted it, I’m not confirming Jabba’s alignment since I have no idea what it is, as Pod could have used that role anyway he liked.

Good point. I should think on it.

Just now, clontroper5 said:

what is?

He claimed d1. He couldn't know that role was around.

However it would still be risky to claim a role being scum as the play who submitted could think on it as a scum role. Mad didn't, but Jabba couldn't know, could he?

46 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

Well perhaps he submitted it, but it doesn't change the fact that I became a fruit vender on the third day. I personally think he was spouting total BS to cause confusion. Because there was no evidence of his Other role

Third day?

14 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

also I should mention my Win condition as time traveler, it directly contradicts the Scum win condition which would have made the game LITTERALLY UNWINNNABLE if i was scum.

here is my Time traveler role:

Time Traveler - [Player B] Aligned (You have been sent here from the future to fix the past! If only your fellow townsfolk would see it that way. Thanks to having lived through all this, you know what needs to be done to change the past and make sure that the world changes.

Once Per Game after day 1 - ##Temporal Paradox - Use this anytime to instantly end the current phase. No night actions will be used, and the game state will revert to just after to the hammer on the previous day (votes on who they were on just prior to the hammer, but before the final vote was cast.)

What is important is making sure that [Player B] survives. They died in your timeline, and you're back to make sure that they make it. You win if [Player B] survives to the end of the game.)

Player B in this game is Ovi.

Last day.

Players remaining

Ovi - town

Clon - scum

Both win conditions achieved.

3 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Last day.

Players remaining

Ovi - town

Clon - scum

Both win conditions achieved.

Except it's not because your town...

1 minute ago, clontroper5 said:

Except it's not because your town...

Town must be kill threats. Scum just need to control the vote. In that scenario you control the vote somehow I can see a mod allowing that win to you even when it seems contradictory at first glance.

Why did you keep the Time Travel win condition if you're not.

How many fruit pieces did you send me?

How do you explain LP's role missing if he never flipped Time Traveler?

9 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Third day?

I guess day 2 take 2?

Day 1 I was a clepto, was switched night 1 to the Time Traveler. I had to immediately use the Ability to save your Life. Night 1 repeat my ability became fruit vender