I'd probably go with instinctive aim. Heightened perception is great on luke because rebels can easily field three high initiative (or swarm tactics) torpedoes, and delete a ship before it fires. The silencer is the only First Order ship which can carry them, by comparison, there's no I6 pilot, and they're bloody expensive.

One high initiative torpedo is nice but unlikely to one-shot anything that matters. Meanwhile, boost/link/roll, instinctive aim, force token modification is likely allowing a torpedo shot without being shot back at.

I personally find that having a lock to burn to re-roll the dice is much better. I seldom ever get a chance to burn my force points because my rolls are that bad haha. Take a few turns to soften up the enemy and let go one round with a lock and a focus with force points and a proton at ps7.

1 hour ago, Leahpar said:

I personally find that having a lock to burn to re-roll the dice is much better. I seldom ever get a chance to burn my force points because my rolls are that bad haha. Take a few turns to soften up the enemy and let go one round with a lock and a focus with force points and a proton at ps7.

I think if you look at Kylo Ren now the same as Soontir Fel (Interceptor) the decision of what Force upgrade to choose depending on who else is in the list, and what role they play in it. Do you go with the auto lock (Instinctive Aim), or engaging first at I7 (Heighten Perception) or Hate.

I guess not really considering SNR anymore frees up points for Afterburners though. I’m just in a place of how to build a list I feel I can get maximum efficiency out of Kylo Ren with

On 1/29/2019 at 12:09 AM, Ryuneke said:

I will not put any more effort into Kylo listbuilding...

He‘s 100pts. with SR. Equipping PT and he’s at 109 pts. So all the problems mentioned in this thread remain. I think he’s fine for hyperspace but suffers major problems in extended.

My local community is pretty small. Not a single hyperspace event was played so far.

Just use him as an I5 ace, instead of your go to, must survive to win ace. Kylo and Blackout both naked leaves 60pts. Thats an elusive,fcs,title Quickdraw. Or fanatical,PA midnight with a 9pt bid (or upgrades for Blackout like elusive + PA). Malarus can be an option with the two I5 silencers.

Kylo Ren (76)

“Blackout” (64)
Elusive (3)
Pattern Analyzer (5)

“Malarus” (41)
Elusive (3)

Total: 192

Why Malarus? The Silencers are agilie and dodgy. Chasing them is usually a problem right off the bat. But trying to burn down Malarus quickly is near impossible. Math says with an evade and elusive, he only takes MAYBE two damage from an entire drea swarm. Two Upsilons with focus and evade at range 2 only 2.8 expected hits. He isnt a bad choice for the squad. Going against a 6 tie swarm with a reroll either from Howl or Sloane only results in 2.44 expected hits. Take on a swarm, have the silencers flank.

59 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:

I think if you look at Kylo Ren now the same as Soontir Fel (Interceptor) the decision of what Force upgrade to choose depending on who else is in the list, and what role they play in it. Do you go with the auto lock (Instinctive Aim), or engaging first at I7 (Heighten Perception) or Hate.

I guess not really considering SNR anymore frees up points for Afterburners though. I’m just in a place of how to build a list I feel I can get maximum efficiency out of Kylo Ren with

Silencers no longer have a Modification slot so no afterburners form them.

9 hours ago, Leahpar said:

Silencers no longer have a Modification slot so no afterburners form them.

Oops you’re right. Check that off the list.

9 hours ago, wurms said:

Just use him as an I5 ace, instead of your go to, must survive to win ace. Kylo and Blackout both naked leaves 60pts. Thats an elusive,fcs,title Quickdraw. Or fanatical,PA midnight with a 9pt bid (or upgrades for Blackout like elusive + PA). Malarus can be an option with the two I5 silencers.

Kylo Ren (76)

“Blackout” (64)
Elusive (3)
Pattern Analyzer (5)

“Malarus” (41)
Elusive (3)

Total: 192

Why Malarus? The Silencers are agilie and dodgy. Chasing them is usually a problem right off the bat. But trying to burn down Malarus quickly is near impossible. Math says with an evade and elusive, he only takes MAYBE two damage from an entire drea swarm. Two Upsilons with focus and evade at range 2 only 2.8 expected hits. He isnt a bad choice for the squad. Going against a 6 tie swarm with a reroll either from Howl or Sloane only results in 2.44 expected hits. Take on a swarm, have the silencers flank.

This is very intriguing.

13 hours ago, wurms said:

Just use him as an I5 ace, instead of your go to, must survive to win ace. Kylo and Blackout both naked leaves 60pts. Thats an elusive,fcs,title Quickdraw. Or fanatical,PA midnight with a 9pt bid (or upgrades for Blackout like elusive + PA). Malarus can be an option with the two I5 silencers.

Kylo Ren (76)

“Blackout” (64)
Elusive (3)
Pattern Analyzer (5)

“Malarus” (41)
Elusive (3)

Total: 192

Why Malarus? The Silencers are agilie and dodgy. Chasing them is usually a problem right off the bat. But trying to burn down Malarus quickly is near impossible. Math says with an evade and elusive, he only takes MAYBE two damage from an entire drea swarm. Two Upsilons with focus and evade at range 2 only 2.8 expected hits. He isnt a bad choice for the squad. Going against a 6 tie swarm with a reroll either from Howl or Sloane only results in 2.44 expected hits. Take on a swarm, have the silencers flank.

I kinda dismissed Malarus at first since she can't get a 3rd attack die, but as tanky-bait she makes sense.

I think I'd build my Kylo and Blackout a bit different, but to each their own.

• Malarus (Elusive) 44
• Kylo (Hate, Advanced Optics) 83
• Blackout (Fanatical, Advanced Optics) 70
• Total 197, bid 3

There's an aspect of this which feels almost like investing in taking damage, but if you never actually activate Fanatical or Hate, well, I guess that's a few points your opponent won't have destroyed.

Putting a few Kylo lists on the table tonight. Both will be different with wingmates and upgrades. I’ll post my thoughts later tonight.

List #1

TIE/vn Silencer - •Kylo Ren - 95
•Kylo Ren - Tormented Apprentice (76)
Proton Torpedoes (12)
Heightened Perception (3)
Advanced Optics (4)

TIE/sf Fighter - •“Quickdraw” - 57
•“Quickdraw” - Defiant Duelist (45)
Fire-Control System (2)
Special Forces Gunner (10)

TIE/sf Fighter - •“Backdraft” - 48
•“Backdraft” - Fiery Fanatic (41)
Fire-Control System (2)
Cluster Missiles (5)

Total: 200/200

View in the X-Wing Squad Builder

List #2

TIE/vn Silencer - •Kylo Ren - 94
•Kylo Ren - Tormented Apprentice (76)
Proton Torpedoes (12)
Instinctive Aim (2)
Advanced Optics (4)

TIE/fo Fighter - •“Midnight” - 46
•“Midnight” - Omega Leader (44)
Fanatical (2)

TIE/sf Fighter - •“Quickdraw” - 57
•“Quickdraw” - Defiant Duelist (45)
Fire-Control System (2)
Special Forces Gunner (10)

Total: 197/200

View in the X-Wing Squad Builder

Have Played kylo SR / scorch / tavson yesterday.

Tavson fire twice, coordinate once. Not enough. Refuge mobility and no turrets make him not valuable in my mind. I Will try to replace with QD.

Scorch may be valuable. Needs another shot.

"Let the past die", they say. So I moved on, left SR Kylo behind.

Kylo Ren (76)
Hate (3)

“Blackout” (64)
Fanatical (2)

“Midnight” (44)
Fanatical (2)

Total: 191

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

Kylo+Hate is 79pts. and I'm really not sure if he's worth it. For instance, you get a fully decked out QD or Tavson with a couple of Upgrades for his cost.

I thought about putting Adv.Optics on him....But this upgrade will make him even more expensive and I also don't see the advantage over just taking a lock.

Blackout is awesome for 64pts without a doubt. I prefer fanatical because it gives him a double modded shot after shields are down. Trick shot is too situational imo.

Ahhh and Midnight.... I'm not sure about her. The only thing she's doing well is dying, which also is a benefit because everyone wants to see her dead asap. In the meantime Kylo and Blackout can do some damage while left alone.

What do you think?

Anyone having any luck flying Kylo now, if so what direction have you taken in list building? Aces, Kylo/Ace/Support

I still play Kylo SR and it’s Still a beast

With QD and longshot

Beginner question here, what crit do people take when using The ISYTDS abbility?

Generally it's Panicked Pilot followed up by Blinded if they have innate re rolls (Boba).

Stunned is good against Dash / collision Detector ships or ships that are about to go over rocks. Wouunded pilot is ok against arc dodgers who can't link off it (Awings, Interceptors, silencers, etc can link off the crit action).

So something struck me the other day: while it seems like folks use Recoil with Predator, Recoil with Marksmanship might be really effective at triggering ISYTDS.

So this is something I might try to fly sometime:

• Kylo Ren (Hate, Advanced Optics) 83
• Recoil (Marksmanship, Advanced Optics) 64
• Backdraft (Trick Shot, Advanced Optics) 47
• Total 194, bid 6.

@Deffly can you use the second or the first action from your linked action to use The action on your crit card to Flip The card face down?

12 hours ago, C3PVO said:

@Deffly can you use the second or the first action from your linked action to use The action on your crit card to Flip The card face down?

First action to flip the crit

At the krayt cup there was an FO list with supernatural kylo that did really well.

TIE/fo Fighter - •“Null” - 31
•“Null” - Epsilon Ace (31)

TIE/sf Fighter - •“Quickdraw” - 64
•“Quickdraw” - Defiant Duelist (45)
Fanatical (2)
Fire-Control System (2)
Special Forces Gunner (10)
Pattern Analyzer (5)

TIE/vn Silencer - •Kylo Ren - 105
•Kylo Ren - Tormented Apprentice (76)
Supernatural Reflexes (24)
Pattern Analyzer (5)

Total: 200/200

View in the X-Wing Squad Builder

Late to the FO party, I'm musing at hyperspace as we have a big event coming. For context in extended Delta-Vader-Kagi is my go-to list

The 🖤 of the squad is as follows:

Petty Officer Thanisson (60) 1️⃣
Pattern Analyzer (5)

Kylo Ren (76) 5️⃣
Total: 141

Petty being init 1 will help against strikers+wampa (quite common here) and other low initiative ships (resistance a-wing also common). Pattern to always have actions available.

Love the force mechanic and Kylo-lite feels good, no need for Hate imo.

My problem is how to fill the remaining points, I see to possible paths...

A) Bet that I will face more aces (Vader,Poe, Quickdraw) and go for an 8 point bid with:

“Midnight” (44) 6️⃣
Crack Shot (1)
Afterburners (6)

Afterburners to stay at range 1 a couple of turns and crackshot to make it more scary

B) Add some initial damage spike (good against swarm-ish squads) and go for 199 points with:

“Quickdraw” (45) 6️⃣
Crack Shot (1)
Special Forces Gunner (10)
Fire-Control System (2)

Makes sense ?

Keeping the core of the squad, do we have a plan C ?

26 minutes ago, polmoneys said:

Late to the FO party, I'm musing at hyperspace as we have a big event coming. For context in extended Delta-Vader-Kagi is my go-to list

The 🖤 of the squad is as follows:

Petty Officer Thanisson (60) 1️⃣
Pattern Analyzer (5)

Kylo Ren (76) 5️⃣
Total: 141

Petty being init 1 will help against strikers+wampa (quite common here) and other low initiative ships (resistance a-wing also common). Pattern to always have actions available.

Love the force mechanic and Kylo-lite feels good, no need for Hate imo.

My problem is how to fill the remaining points, I see to possible paths...

A) Bet that I will face more aces (Vader,Poe, Quickdraw) and go for an 8 point bid with:

“Midnight” (44) 6️⃣
Crack Shot (1)
Afterburners (6)

Afterburners to stay at range 1 a couple of turns and crackshot to make it more scary

B) Add some initial damage spike (good against swarm-ish squads) and go for 199 points with:

“Quickdraw” (45) 6️⃣
Crack Shot (1)
Special Forces Gunner (10)
Fire-Control System (2)

Makes sense ?

Keeping the core of the squad, do we have a plan C ?

You are more likely to see 4 and 5 ship lists like Rebel 4s like XXXU, Poe + 3AAA, XXAA, Vader + mini swarm, 5 Ion Ywings, etc. Which means midnight is mostly useless. Thannison is less likely to trigger with Leia all over the place in rebels. SKB might be better to save a few points to put into Quickdraw.

7 hours ago, polmoneys said:

Late to the FO party, I'm musing at hyperspace as we have a big event coming. For context in extended Delta-Vader-Kagi is my go-to list

The 🖤 of the squad is as follows:

Petty Officer Thanisson (60) 1️⃣
Pattern Analyzer (5)

Kylo Ren (76) 5️⃣
Total: 141

Petty being init 1 will help against strikers+wampa (quite common here) and other low initiative ships (resistance a-wing also common). Pattern to always have actions available.

Love the force mechanic and Kylo-lite feels good, no need for Hate imo.

My problem is how to fill the remaining points, I see to possible paths...

A) Bet that I will face more aces (Vader,Poe, Quickdraw) and go for an 8 point bid with:

“Midnight” (44) 6️⃣
Crack Shot (1)
Afterburners (6)

Afterburners to stay at range 1 a couple of turns and crackshot to make it more scary

B) Add some initial damage spike (good against swarm-ish squads) and go for 199 points with:

“Quickdraw” (45) 6️⃣
Crack Shot (1)
Special Forces Gunner (10)
Fire-Control System (2)

Makes sense ?

Keeping the core of the squad, do we have a plan C ?

If you go with thanisson, put phasma on him

will try Plan C tomorrow, inspired by comments on this thread & inputs:

Kylo Ren (76)
Proton Torpedoes (12)

Petty Officer Thanisson (60)
Pattern Analyzer (5)
Captain Phasma (5)

Commander Malarus (41)
Crack Shot (1)
Total: 200

I want POT for the init 1️⃣, Phasma makes sense & for 70 points looks like the best loadout.

Not 100% sure about torps but feels it can balance the offense we lose using Malarus.

Will report back!

@polmoneys is your extended empire list somewhere on the forum?

I’m looking for empire extended lists;)

1 hour ago, C3PVO said:

@polmoneys is your extended empire list somewhere on the forum?

I’m looking for empire extended lists;)

check your private messages

Phil Horny played SR Kylo recently. Here’s the link to his match.

Its a 200 point list. No bid. Wow.