17 hours ago, lukecook said:

Not this convo again....just be happy with whatever they release the way I see it. We’re lucky to get a set of releases each month

Yeah but most of what gets released, I don't buy. I'd buy a long list of things other than Hoth guys. They just haven't released anything from that list. As I go about my day, I'm not mad or unhappy about it, but it does mean more of my money goes to historical figures, interesting looking scenery kits, buying out of production Citadel stuff on eBay, and spending on non-wargaming interests.

If FFG won't release Hoth troopers, I shall bring Hoth troopers to what FFG does release. (And yeah, I'd pick up actual Hoth troopers too if/when released).

49 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

What about the ewoks' PTSD? Do they think they have a therapy human or are they just companionship slaves?

The ewoks are volunteering to "thank the new republic for their help in freeing the ewoks from the oppression of the Empire" or some such. The entire point of the interlude is to give a timeframe for the introduction of BB-8 style ball droids because the former soldier in the vignet opts for a free therapy droid instead of a therapy ewok or staying in a mental health facility if I recall correctly....

7 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

The ewoks are volunteering to "thank the new republic for their help in freeing the ewoks from the oppression of the Empire" or some such. The entire point of the interlude is to give a timeframe for the introduction of BB-8 style ball droids because the former soldier in the vignet opts for a free therapy droid instead of a therapy ewok or staying in a mental health facility if I recall correctly....

The supplementary novels are always just so weird.

1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

What about the ewoks' PTSD? Do they think they have a therapy human or are they just companionship slaves?

They're probably have more PTSD from Endor itself than eny battle they were in, so being off the planet is probably enough for them.

2 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

The ewoks are volunteering to "thank the new republic for their help in freeing the ewoks from the oppression of the Empire" or some such. The entire point of the interlude is to give a timeframe for the introduction of BB-8 style ball droids because the former soldier in the vignet opts for a free therapy droid instead of a therapy ewok or staying in a mental health facility if I recall correctly....

But keeping our old imperial army infantry around? That's just a bridge too far, for Disney's canon. Gimme a break.

5 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

Yeah but most of what gets released, I don't buy. I'd buy a long list of things other than Hoth guys. They just haven't released anything from that list. As I go about my day, I'm not mad or unhappy about it, but it does mean more of my money goes to historical figures, interesting looking scenery kits, buying out of production Citadel stuff on eBay, and spending on non-wargaming interests.

I don't really see what your issue is, that you, a consumer, aren't buying everything produced? Do you just go to the store and buy everything in it? No, you have personal preferences and tastes. It would be impossible for them to meet everyone's want list. My point was that I'm happy with anything new to the game. It changes things up, maybe gets more people interested, and adds diversity and I would surely love to see some more Hoth stuff, one of the most iconic battles from the OT

35 minutes ago, lukecook said:

I don't really see what your issue is,

My issue is, the releases are very redundant.

They have checked the Endor and Scarif rebel box already. It's weird to circle back to both of them again before Hoth, or adding ewoks, or whatever. I personally think it's because they're leftover designs from the Rebel Troopers squad.

That's because you can't wrap your head around the idea game designers want to do more game design.

Really, not to put too fine a point on it, but your replies really seem like you're having a hard time grasping that other people have different priorities in developing the releases besides what they look like. Nevermind like @Indy_com says they are actually visually distinct on top of actually being distinct (though you could argue FFG got the names flipped, since images of commandos from like the mobile game and stuff look more like the Scariff guys, while the Endor guys are explicitly called Pathfinders right now).

11 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

I personally think it's because they're leftover designs from the Rebel Troopers squad.

One of those Scarif Guys has a Hoth hat, multiple have the M1 style helmet and one wears the old Legends Rebel Heavy Commando helmet.

This looks to me like they just took the more "noticeable" designs from Scarif and made a unit with them for R1 fans.

Your basic Rebels use the design from the DICE Battlefront games rather than the Endor design. The main difference between the two is that the basic Rebels don't wear gloves or ponchos while the Commandos do.

So there has only been one case of a reused design so far, being the DICE style trooper on the AT-RT they are shown using in the (technically canonical) game.

When the Echo Base Troopers eventually arrive the number of reused designs go up to 2,as there are Echo Base Troopers on the FD.14 turret.

15 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

My issue is, the releases are very redundant.

They have checked the Endor and Scarif rebel box already. It's weird to circle back to both of them again before Hoth, or adding ewoks, or whatever. I personally think it's because they're leftover designs from the Rebel Troopers squad.

If you're referring to the Pathfinders, I can assure you they will play much differently than the basic Rebel Troopers.

Back to the topic though I get a feeling maybe FFG is past the OT for now. With the Rogue One stuff already announced and Clone Wars in the nearer future, might not get Hoth Troopers right away. We have releases planned up through March as is, and my guess is Clone Wars will be at Gencon, so not much time in between. Unless they don't take a break from releasing OT stuff when the CW drops.

26 minutes ago, lukecook said:

If you're referring to the Pathfinders, I can assure you they will play much differently than the basic Rebel Troopers.

Back to the topic though I get a feeling maybe FFG is past the OT for now. With the Rogue One stuff already announced and Clone Wars in the nearer future, might not get Hoth Troopers right away. We have releases planned up through March as is, and my guess is Clone Wars will be at Gencon, so not much time in between. Unless they don't take a break from releasing OT stuff when the CW drops.

i think they have to release ot well they release CW or you will lose intrest of people like me that are only playing Rebels

37 minutes ago, Indy_com said:

Your basic Rebels use the design from the DICE Battlefront games rather than the Endor design. The main difference between the two is that the basic Rebels don't wear gloves or ponchos while the Commandos do.

Do you mean in the recent Battlefront they aren't wearing gloves or the models? Because all of the models of basic rebels have gloves, and the MPL trooper is wearing a poncho. So the only major difference in design is how many ponchos honestly.

Clearly the insurgents are actually rebelling against current fashion trends rather than our just nation. The civil war is unnecessary.

43 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Do you mean in the recent Battlefront they aren't wearing gloves or the models? Because all of the models of basic rebels have gloves, and the MPL trooper is wearing a poncho. So the only major difference in design is how many ponchos honestly.

Ok, I missed those it seems (I thought the MPL guy was wearing a coat).

However, art wise they seem to be the DICE rebels:

1 minute ago, Indy_com said:

Ok, I missed those it seems (I thought the MPL guy was wearing a coat).

However, art wise they seem to be the DICE rebels:

No argument there. But I'd say the DICE Rebels definitely take cues from the Endor rebel team, such as the helmets, weapons, gloves, and combat webbing.

1 hour ago, lukecook said:

If you're referring to the Pathfinders, I can assure you they will play much differently than the basic Rebel Troopers.

Since a publisher can assign any rules to any uniform, I don't shop for stats. I have 5 squads of Scendorif figures already painted, not buying more. Unless it's more super cheap ones from more core sets. Not a problem for me. Just less money to give FFG. But I'm not gonna pretend they aren't being repetitive, or laud products I don't want.

1 hour ago, Indy_com said:

One of those Scarif Guys has a Hoth hat, multiple have the M1 style helmet and one wears the old Legends Rebel Heavy Commando helmet.

"Old Legends"? You mean Return of the Jedi ? Is this what we've come to now, the actual film props mean so little? We can slice it any way we want in canon, the jackets, pants, helmets and other details that have been around since 1983. They resurfaced in Rogue One and were mixed in with some new items. You can paint the models as this or that but the shape of their sculpted details is consistent with an overall tribute to ROTJ and/or R1. Other than the Duros and maybe certain guns, I don't think any 1 detail on the core Rebel Troopers squad is glaringly absent from the Scarif/Endor scenes. Though the reverse isn't true, you can't say they won't work as Scarif nor Endor guys.

I painted 5 squads rebel troopers white but they remain utterly inconsistent in their sculpted details with ESB. That's fine as a "get you by" option but I'm not buying even more of them, new stats or not. Doubling down on Scendorif with commandos was one thing. Tripling down with pathfinders is poor salesmanship at this early juncture. Hard bitten Scarif fans will know the core troopers' hats were on Scarif among other hats.

At some point I'll paint 3 corps non-Hoth squads for both sides and tinker around with small, setting agnostic, armies but that's another subject.

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Back to the topic though I get a feeling maybe FFG is past the OT for now.

OT is not the same as GCW. This game has never been OT, they released an AT-RT on day 1. I don't think they'll ever stop releasing GCW stuff to keep old customers from wandering off. It'll just slow down.

52 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

the MPL trooper is wearing a poncho. So the only major difference in design is how many ponchos honestly.

The MPL trooper is actually wearing a baggy coat, not a poncho. She's one of my favorite figures, a shame the weapon is too expensive to fit into lists better. I don't recall if there are actually any ponchos on the rebel troops on Endor, onscreen, besides Luke and Leia. Though ponchos have been a staple of miniatures of such troops since about 1990. Some Endor rebels do sport a trenchcoat akin to the commander figure, and a baggy sleeved coat like the MPL trooper, though.

39 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

"Old Legends"? You mean Return of the Jedi ? Is this what we've come to now, the actual film props mean so little? We can slice it any way we want in canon, the jackets, pants, helmets and other details that have been around since 1983. They resurfaced in Rogue One and were mixed in with some new items. You can paint the models as this or that but the shape of their sculpted details is consistent with an overall tribute to ROTJ and/or R1. Other than the Duros and maybe certain guns, I don't think any 1 detail on the core Rebel Troopers squad is glaringly absent from the Scarif/Endor scenes. Though the reverse isn't true, you can't say they won't work as Scarif nor Endor guys.

These guys helmets:

I can't actually find a picture of the R1 variant in RotJ, so if you have a picture I'd be happy to be corrected.

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Found a pictiure of the guy in R1, still can't find his helmet in RotJ.

11 minutes ago, Indy_com said:

I can't actually find a picture of the R1 variant in RotJ, so if you have a picture I'd be happy to be corrected.

Crossed wires. I meant the ROTJ helmets do appear in R1.

They (WOTC and WEG) used to call all miniatures based on ROTJ Endor rebels "commandos". Much of what else was sold then is no longer canon hence my confusion at "old canon". Sorry.

11 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

Oh geez. Just when I forget why I stopped reading SW novels...

I disliked the Aftermath books about as much as I have ever disliked anything I've read in my life. 🙁

I read quite a bit, and I sometimes gamble on a book here or there, so that is saying something.

2 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

Since a publisher can assign any rules to any uniform, I don't shop for stats. I have 5 squads of Scendorif figures already painted, not buying more. Unless it's more super cheap ones from more core sets. Not a problem for me. Just less money to give FFG. But I'm not gonna pretend they aren't being repetitive, or laud products I don't want.

"Old Legends"? You mean Return of the Jedi ? Is this what we've come to now, the actual film props mean so little? We can slice it any way we want in canon, the jackets, pants, helmets and other details that have been around since 1983. They resurfaced in Rogue One and were mixed in with some new items. You can paint the models as this or that but the shape of their sculpted details is consistent with an overall tribute to ROTJ and/or R1. Other than the Duros and maybe certain guns, I don't think any 1 detail on the core Rebel Troopers squad is glaringly absent from the Scarif/Endor scenes. Though the reverse isn't true, you can't say they won't work as Scarif nor Endor guys.

I painted 5 squads rebel troopers white but they remain utterly inconsistent in their sculpted details with ESB. That's fine as a "get you by" option but I'm not buying even more of them, new stats or not. Doubling down on Scendorif with commandos was one thing. Tripling down with pathfinders is poor salesmanship at this early juncture. Hard bitten Scarif fans will know the core troopers' hats were on Scarif among other hats.

At some point I'll paint 3 corps non-Hoth squads for both sides and tinker around with small, setting agnostic, armies but that's another subject.

OT is not the same as GCW. This game has never been OT, they released an AT-RT on day 1. I don't think they'll ever stop releasing GCW stuff to keep old customers from wandering off. It'll just slow down.

The MPL trooper is actually wearing a baggy coat, not a poncho. She's one of my favorite figures, a shame the weapon is too expensive to fit into lists better. I don't recall if there are actually any ponchos on the rebel troops on Endor, onscreen, besides Luke and Leia. Though ponchos have been a staple of miniatures of such troops since about 1990. Some Endor rebels do sport a trenchcoat akin to the commander figure, and a baggy sleeved coat like the MPL trooper, though.

I have no idea how you play this game or who you find that will play it with you. The different abilities and upgrade cards each expansion comes with are pretty important to the game. I’d be sooo bored if I was only using luke or Leia as my commander and only a few units of rebel troopers that don’t have different stats or upgrades.

9 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

I have no idea how you play this game or who you find that will play it with you. The different abilities and upgrade cards each expansion comes with are pretty important to the game. I’d be sooo bored if I was only using luke or Leia as my commander and only a few units of rebel troopers that don’t have different stats or upgrades.

Some people are into games like this for theme and scenery. Some are into it for campaign and storytelling elements as well. Depending on how heavily you weight things like this, stats and cards can be trivial by comparison.

I happen to prefer a bit of story myself. I like theme, I like building armies, and I also like a competitive match once in awhile, but I prefer to play all of my games with a good "story" in mind. Immersive figures and setting are far more important than different stats in those cases where I am not playing competitively.

Heck, I can houserule new stats if I want.

I can't houserule new trooper minis.

P.S. I, for one, would gladly take a game with Mr. Tauntaun Scout. He seems to love the painting, modelling, and collecting side of the spirit of miniature wargaming, and though I don't agree with him all of the time, I appreciate that about his posts. Also, I think he keeps posting pretty respectfully in spite of some fairly hostile posts he has received in a variety of threads due to disagreement with his expressed opinions. So I guess I would be an example of one of the people he could find games against on occasion, though as far as I know he lives far away and we will likely never meet. Mr. Scout, if you ever venture forth from the 6th planet of the Hoth system, look me up for a game. 😊

2 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

The MPL trooper is actually wearing a baggy coat, not a poncho. She's one of my favorite figures, a shame the weapon is too expensive to fit into lists better. I don't recall if there are actually any ponchos on the rebel troops on Endor, onscreen, besides Luke and Leia. Though ponchos have been a staple of miniatures of such troops since about 1990. Some Endor rebels do sport a trenchcoat akin to the commander figure, and a baggy sleeved coat like the MPL trooper, though.

Fair enough, I misremembered the coat as being solid in front instead of having a gap. Doesn't help my memory that I've painted mine in a denison smock pattern.

I also really like that figure, I wish that jacket had been used on one of the rifle figures so I could always use it. The separate head also made it one of the easier models for head swapping.

It's weird, until you mentioned it, I was under the impression that SOMEONE else in the Rebel forces on the forest moon of Endor was also wearing a poncho, but I guess it was just my eyes/braining misidentifying a camo jacket. I'm sure in extended canon someone besides Luke and Leia must have used them, or else why would the Rebellion have two on hand for Luke and Leia to use? But that's a separate matter anyway.

47 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

It's weird, until you mentioned it, I was under the impression that SOMEONE else in the Rebel forces on the forest moon of Endor was also wearing a poncho,

Yeah I keep looking for them and can't find any either. It's weird. But both WEG and WOTC released minis of random troops in ponchos. If you really like that mini, I can show you how to convert her to a Z-6 trooper! It's a pretty simple arm-swap. She gets the Z6 arms, the Endor-beardy-guy gets the ion gun, his blaster goes to the ex-Z6 trooper.

1 hour ago, ninclouse2000 said:

I have no idea how you play this game or who you find that will play it with you. The different abilities and upgrade cards each expansion comes with are pretty important to the game. I’d be sooo bored if I was only using luke or Leia as my commander and only a few units of rebel troopers that don’t have different stats or upgrades.

I don't insist that others not use varied lists. But I don't buy stuff just to change up the die colors or surge values. I make my armies and try to get the most of out them with the pleasant side-effect that I get to avoid falling into a "latest and greatest" money-pit. I can make up new rules if I wanted to, I can't sculpt a meatball. This idea that "Unit X is on my shopping list because of its abilities" is very much from a CCG/video game culture. It is anathema to the bulk of the culture of miniature wargames and paper RPG's. In recent years its become common in the likes of Warmachine or the newer editions of Games Workshop games, but it's still the oddball approach, in the miniature wargame hobby writ-large. For example: Many historical games make no distinction between the archers of various time periods, this doesn't mean people collect a few dozen ancient Greek archers and use them in any and all time periods. The stats aren't the point there.

I have fully painted armies for both factions so no one has to play a mirror matchup and I am rarely caught winning. Hence I'm the belle of the ball. Everyone wants to play with me. As for boredom, my Imperial army uses 5 squads of snowtroopers and no Vader, most people have never fought anything like it. You can also play a long time without running into the same exact mission twice (and the scenery makes it unique anyways!) so that alleviates any boredom too.

59 minutes ago, Jedhead said:

Also, I think he keeps posting pretty respectfully in spite of some fairly hostile posts he has received in a variety of threads due to disagreement with his expressed opinions.

I'm not as respectful as I'd like to be. But at some point you have to be the grownup in the situation and get back to playing with spacedolls.