Legion now has 26 expansions compared to Armada's 25.

Armada has been out for 3 years, 7 months. Legion has been out for 9 months.

I'm not sure anyone would have wanted Armada to have that quick of release schedule (I know I wouldn't), and you can argue about things like production, painting, size of minis, details, etc. But when Legion can get 26 expansions in 9 months with dozens of articles, it sure makes you wonder why they can't give any attention to Armada. If you ignore the organized play, prize, and world championship articles (which are basically mandatory), there has only been 3 articles since Legion's release and one of those was a rules update.

I'm not saying Armada's dead. I'm not saying that I'm quitting. Just sad to see FFGs lack of support, articles, and updates for such a great game.

4 minutes ago, kmanweiss said:

Legion now has 26 expansions compared to Armada's 25.

Armada has been out for 3 years, 7 months. Legion has been out for 9 months.

I'm not sure anyone would have wanted Armada to have that quick of release schedule (I know I wouldn't), and you can argue about things like production, painting, size of minis, details, etc. But when Legion can get 26 expansions in 9 months with dozens of articles, it sure makes you wonder why they can't give any attention to Armada. If you ignore the organized play, prize, and world championship articles (which are basically mandatory), there has only been 3 articles since Legion's release and one of those was a rules update.

I'm not saying Armada's dead. I'm not saying that I'm quitting. Just sad to see FFGs lack of support, articles, and updates for such a great game.

What makes me wonder is why they aren't explicitly adressing it?

The SSD is the weirdest statement to make in the current situation of Armada. I believe @Crabbok was the one who said that the SSD is an obvious and desired expansion... just not one to release after the longest dry spell of expansions in a game. And one where many of the community outlets (podcasts and blogs) are semi-stagnating or turning to Legion coverage instead due to the lack of anything new happening.

My issue (as a primarily Rebel player) isn't the SSD expansion being released, nor the onesidedness if the release or the price tag (biggest I've ever seen in miniature gaming for one item). My issue is that FFG didn't go out and say 'Hey guys. This isn't just a final expansion, the game isn't dying and we love you. Wave 8 will be announced sometime in february'. Boom. 90% of all issues in Armada fixed.

I think it is a simple process/decision failure at FFG - not a sign of anything bad in Armada's future as such.

I think Legion is far easier to produce then Armada.

It would be interesting to know the cost ratio of R&D and production of the SSD versus an expansion for Legion.

I’d wager they’ve put a lot of money into the SSD and to me that’s a sign they’re not quitting on Armada any time soon, too big an investment.

1 minute ago, Forresto said:

I think Legion is far easier to produce then Armada.

It would be interesting to know the cost ratio of R&D and production of the SSD versus an expansion for Legion.

Sure. But wave releases have grown progressively rarer and rarer to the point of a year in between releases.

And Wave 8 STILL isn't announced. The SSD is for one faction only.

Amen to all above. ffg has poor communication skills.

I honestly believe that a year and a half ago, they were looking at Armada, negotiating Clone Wars content, and said. "We need something for Armada." They looked at the content they had for GCW, and they didnt see what they could do with offical art and products without creating new designs. Lets take the Dreadnaught heavy cruiser, it was sorta reintroduced at the end of Rebels, which occured last year.

At the same time, Disney is bringing back Clone Wars, so its a good time to introduce Clone Wars for its games. In this case, Legion, XWING, and Armada. Disney recognizes that Legion and XWING would focus more on those story elements of Clone Wars. Infantry combat and star fighter combat. So they might be under orders to wait until more for Clone Wars season 7 is teased to reveal some new Armada stuff. Example: crazy republic or CIS ships.

Legion, unfortunately, is still focused on GCW, and thus can pump out expansions that already exist. XWING can work with whats already been revealed for CW, because there is star fighter variety.

The SSD is another symptom of this issue, we know its been in the works for years. We know it took years for them to work out. They know people were raving about it for years. It was just a matter of time. Because they saw how insane people were about it, they likely figured they could solo release it until they can pump out new CW stuff for Armada.

1 minute ago, Ling27 said:

I honestly believe that a year and a half ago, they were looking at Armada, negotiating Clone Wars content, and said. "We need something for Armada." They looked at the content they had for GCW, and they didnt see what they could do with offical art and products without creating new designs. Lets take the Dreadnaught heavy cruiser, it was sorta reintroduced at the end of Rebels, which occured last year.

At the same time, Disney is bringing back Clone Wars, so its a good time to introduce Clone Wars for its games. In this case, Legion, XWING, and Armada. Disney recognizes that Legion and XWING would focus more on those story elements of Clone Wars. Infantry combat and star fighter combat. So they might be under orders to wait until more for Clone Wars season 7 is teased to reveal some new Armada stuff. Example: crazy republic or CIS ships.

Legion, unfortunately, is still focused on GCW, and thus can pump out expansions that already exist. XWING can work with whats already been revealed for CW, because there is star fighter variety.

The SSD is another symptom of this issue, we know its been in the works for years. We know it took years for them to work out. They know people were raving about it for years. It was just a matter of time. Because they saw how insane people were about it, they likely figured they could solo release it until they can pump out new CW stuff for Armada.

Good hypothesis.

Still doesn't explain why they wouldn't just address it in an article. I'm sure they know the community isn't happy and bleeding members here and there even if there isn't a crisis in the player base - I mean, they can just read their own forums. Again I ascribe that to unfortunate lack if competency somewhere in FFG.

I for one hope you're wrong even if you're probably right. I would hate for the game to get mangled up in Clone Wars or, the Emperor forbid, the Disney Wars trilogy.

The really sad thing is there were some great ideas in the old expanded universe, TIE Avenger, Liberator class carrier, Eclipse class dreadnought, AF Mk1 etc etc that we are likely never to see.

But yes, FFG’s comms team needs a serious overhaul. Community relations for Armada has been far from ideal.

Production cycles being what they are, I would be surprised most if not all twenty-six Legion expansions were planned a year or more ago. Certainly, they are much cheaper and faster to print than Armada (they are unpainted, for one thing). I can only speculate on why the Legion expansions have come at the apparent cost of additional Armada content, but the most likely explanation is simply a limit on bandwidth in terms of both FFG staffing and production capability. It also seems reasonable that they would focus their attention on the new property - they'll want to capitalize on all the new players and keep giving them content to keep it as new and interesting as possible. For that matter, they have also certainly been printing XWing 2.0 content as quickly as possible for (I assume) as similar reason. And Keyforge.

It's unfortunate that this has come at the apparent price of additional Armada content, and I would certainly appreciate it if FFG weren't keeping us in the dark about this. But I'm not sure there's a "win" scenario for them, either. And they may be restricted from announcing their plans overall for Armada due to negotiations or for any number of different reasons.

At the end of the day, all we can do is continue to enjoy the game we have, look forward to the SSD, and be patient.

the SSD is also a big hit to their Armada production capability.

47 minutes ago, Cpt. Caine said:

This isn't just a final expansion, the game isn't dying and we love you. Wave 8 will be announced sometime in february'. Boom. 90% of all issues in Armada fixed.

I think it is a simple process/decision failure at FFG - not a sign of anything bad in Armada's future as such.

I wonder if that is a deliberate marketing strategy, though. If they were worried about the SSD not doing well (a big concern given how much they've poured into it), they may not want to announce that anything new is coming until the SSD has been out for a bit, at the risk that it will push people into not buying it when they were unsure. I can only speak for myself, but if I had confirmation that Wave 8 was coming in February-May, that would have made the choice on whether to pre-order the SSD much simpler (although I suspect I might have invested into X-Wing 2 instead). So while I suspect we'll get something announced a few weeks after the SSD, I can understand why they wouldn't want to do that for now. Particularly if it is something really big, like the Clone Wars era stuff they hinted at.

The reason why is simple.

Wargames like legion need large unit variety, particularly since they will be in direct competition with WH:40K. The rather undisputed heavyweight in that game market. If they don't have the variety quick the game may die especially if people sit there and say where's my waker/speeder/fighter and why isn't it out yet. It's hard to compete against such an established juggernaut.

Armada on the other hand, IS the undisputed heavyweight in capitol ship combat. And thus can survive longer release intervals.

I can't blame ffg in their choice, mainly because they haven't given up on Armada. Their just making the best of a tough situation.

4 minutes ago, Grumbleduke said:

I wonder if that is a deliberate marketing strategy, though. If they were worried about the SSD not doing well (a big concern given how much they've poured into it), they may not want to announce that anything new is coming until the SSD has been out for a bit, at the risk that it will push people into not buying it when they were unsure. I can only speak for myself, but if I had confirmation that Wave 8 was coming in February-May, that would have made the choice on whether to pre-order the SSD much simpler (although I suspect I might have invested into X-Wing 2 instead). So while I suspect we'll get something announced a few weeks after the SSD, I can understand why they wouldn't want to do that for now. Particularly if it is something really big, like the Clone Wars era stuff they hinted at.

I basically got flamed for mentioning this in another thread. But the hosts of The Outer Rim Job said they know from a source in FFG that wave 8 is being playtested as of (at least) three weeks ago.

No news is good news.

Just now, Cpt. Caine said:

I basically got flamed for mentioning this in another thread. But the hosts of The Outer Rim Job said they know from a source in FFG that wave 8 is being playtested as of (at least) three weeks ago.

Which doesn't mean anything other than the game isn't dead, which we already know. Development for Armada can be a long time.

3 minutes ago, Do I need a Username said:

Which doesn't mean anything other than the game isn't dead, which we already know. Development for Armada can be a long time.

I'll agree with you there.

1 hour ago, kmanweiss said:

Legion now has 26 expansions compared to Armada's 25.

Armada has been out for 3 years, 7 months. Legion has been out for 9 months.

I'm not sure anyone would have wanted Armada to have that quick of release schedule (I know I wouldn't), and you can argue about things like production, painting, size of minis, details, etc. But when Legion can get 26 expansions in 9 months with dozens of articles, it sure makes you wonder why they can't give any attention to Armada. If you ignore the organized play, prize, and world championship articles (which are basically mandatory), there has only been 3 articles since Legion's release and one of those was a rules update.

I'm not saying Armada's dead. I'm not saying that I'm quitting. Just sad to see FFGs lack of support, articles, and updates for such a great game.

Play X-wing while you wait.

It's not the same, but still fun.

27 minutes ago, Noosh said:

The reason why is simple.

Wargames like legion need large unit variety, particularly since they will be in direct competition with WH:40K. The rather undisputed heavyweight in that game market. If they don't have the variety quick the game may die especially if people sit there and say where's my waker/speeder/fighter and why isn't it out yet. It's hard to compete against such an established juggernaut.

Armada on the other hand, IS the undisputed heavyweight in capitol ship combat. And thus can survive longer release intervals.

I can't blame ffg in their choice, mainly because they haven't given up on Armada. Their just making the best of a tough situation.

This is what I was going to say.

Keep in mind that Armada ships are proper models, with various components glued together and then painted with several layers from a base coat to detail.

Not only that but FFG maintains a consistent level of high quality. That must stall the process.

Legion pieces, other then the vehicles, are plastic army men essentially.

The requirements and length of production are completely different.

1 hour ago, Ling27 said:

I honestly believe that a year and a half ago, they were looking at Armada, negotiating Clone Wars content, and said. "We need something for Armada." They looked at the content they had for GCW, and they didnt see what they could do with offical art and products without creating new designs. Lets take the Dreadnaught heavy cruiser, it was sorta reintroduced at the end of Rebels, which occured last year.

At the same time, Disney is bringing back Clone Wars, so its a good time to introduce Clone Wars for its games. In this case, Legion, XWING, and Armada. Disney recognizes that Legion and XWING would focus more on those story elements of Clone Wars. Infantry combat and star fighter combat. So they might be under orders to wait until more for Clone Wars season 7 is teased to reveal some new Armada stuff. Example: crazy republic or CIS ships.

Legion, unfortunately, is still focused on GCW, and thus can pump out expansions that already exist. XWING can work with whats already been revealed for CW, because there is star fighter variety.

The SSD is another symptom of this issue, we know its been in the works for years. We know it took years for them to work out. They know people were raving about it for years. It was just a matter of time. Because they saw how insane people were about it, they likely figured they could solo release it until they can pump out new CW stuff for Armada.

I wouldn’t expect to see clone wars expansions for armada for a year or two, if not longer. If they intended to release clones wars stuff this year or in 2019 they would have announced it along with legion and x-wing. The ssd will be the only release for armada in 2019.

14 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

I wouldn’t expect to see clone wars expansions for armada for a year or two, if not longer. If they intended to release clones wars stuff this year or in 2019 they would have announced it along with legion and x-wing. The ssd will be the only release for armada in 2019.

Unless they need something to be revealed in Season 7 that the mouse wants to keep quiet.

2 hours ago, kmanweiss said:

Legion now has 26 expansions compared to Armada's 25.

Armada has been out for 3 years, 7 months. Legion has been out for 9 months.

I'm not sure anyone would have wanted Armada to have that quick of release schedule (I know I wouldn't), and you can argue about things like production, painting, size of minis, details, etc. But when Legion can get 26 expansions in 9 months with dozens of articles, it sure makes you wonder why they can't give any attention to Armada. If you ignore the organized play, prize, and world championship articles (which are basically mandatory), there has only been 3 articles since Legion's release and one of those was a rules update.

I'm not saying Armada's dead. I'm not saying that I'm quitting. Just sad to see FFGs lack of support, articles, and updates for such a great game.

I feel your pain, but if I can just play devil’s advocate, if I was releasing a high-cost, high investment miniatures game I didn’t even own the IP for that only had two factions, I’d poop out lots of expansions too at first, or risk a very stale game. Compare it to their Herowars of Terrabyte or what ever it is, even that has what, four factions?

3 hours ago, Noosh said:

The reason why is simple.

Wargames like legion need large unit variety, particularly since they will be in direct competition with WH:40K. The rather undisputed heavyweight in that game market. If they don't have the variety quick the game may die especially if people sit there and say where's my waker/speeder/fighter and why isn't it out yet. It's hard to compete against such an established juggernaut.

Armada on the other hand, IS the undisputed heavyweight in capitol ship combat. And thus can survive longer release intervals.

I can't blame ffg in their choice, mainly because they haven't given up on Armada. Their just making the best of a tough situation.

I feel like this is the reason.

That and I think FFG knows that a lot of fans of any of the Star Wars TTGs will migrate to the new thing if the content they mainly focus on dries up. Getting 1-2 games a week on average for the last 2 years means that when a wave releases, I get a lot of games in, probably more than most. After about 6 months, games start getting a little same-y. Even in a meta where players switch to a new fleet regularly. I love armada, and I was ready to buy... with no content I decided to try Legion. Now I'm knees deep.

It's been an ongoing trend for the last 2 years, most of us have accepted that SW Armada is no longer a focal point game for FFG. Why that is, no one can concretely answer that except FFG. Whom, for (obvious) reasons, have decided to not address.

At this point, I'm just happy they continue to create expansions (at a once per year rate) and "seasonal" tournament kits. They wouldn't do that if the game was on chopping block.
Not happy they don't put out more content to help the game get bigger, but happy that the game is still here. How much longer that "here" will be at this rate is always debateable, but I expect to enjoy at least another 2 years of content at least if not more.

9 minutes ago, Karneck said:

It's been an ongoing trend for the last 2 years, most of us have accepted that SW Armada is no longer a focal point game for FFG. Why that is, no one can concretely answer that except FFG. Whom, for (obvious) reasons, have decided to not address.

At this point, I'm just happy they continue to create expansions (at a once per year rate) and "seasonal" tournament kits. They wouldn't do that if the game was on chopping block.
Not happy they don't put out more content to help the game get bigger, but happy that the game is still here. How much longer that "here" will be at this rate is always debateable, but I expect to enjoy at least another 2 years of content at least if not more.

along these lines, I would rather have a slow drip of content over 4+ years than all of that content at once in 1 year, but then no more armada