13 hours ago, thepopemobile100 said:

I have a tendency to come off as such without meaning to, and I apologize

Me too that's why I like you.

18 hours ago, LennoxPoodle said:

Mind if I ask when or where they used one? It wasn't on my radar and sounds awseome. Sad if I missed that.

Huh, I had an image in my head of them using them on the Erso homestead in the opening scene of Rogue One. But I guess not (can't find evidence of it anyways).

Bummer!

9 minutes ago, Simonsays3 said:

Huh, I had an image in my head of them using them on the Erso homestead in the opening scene of Rogue One. But I guess not (can't find evidence of it anyways).

Bummer!

I thought I saw one too. Maybe it was in a trailer or poster or something. Not everything makes the final cut.

On 12/3/2018 at 10:23 PM, VadersToothbrush said:

Release schedule conjectures are built on hope.

I think, based on the release schedule we've seen so far, this is what we are looking at:

Late January: Specialists

Late February: Jyn and Pathfinders

Late March: Krennic and Deathtroopers (probably released in conjunction with Adepticon)

9 hours ago, SirCormac said:

I think, based on the release schedule we've seen so far, this is what we are looking at:

Late January: Specialists

Late February: Jyn and Pathfinders

Late March: Krennic and Deathtroopers (probably released in conjunction with Adepticon)

This is my expectation as well.

Worth noting, after March this game will actually be 1 year old. I have it in my head that during one of the initial interviews, or maybe Gencon ones, the devs said that they had about 2 years worth of releases planned when the game actually came out. If that's true and I'm not imagining things then we will only be halfway through what they had planned.

On 12/3/2018 at 2:04 PM, TauntaunScout said:

Heck they made it into Kenner's original 12 action figures. 

They did not.

http://www.rebelscum.com/VIN12inch.asp

http://theswca.com/images-toys/12inch/

5 minutes ago, Zrob314 said:

They did not.

The original 12. Not the same as the Kenner 12" line. I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

The original 12 are Luke, Leia, Han, Chewbacca, Obi-Wan, R2, 3PO, Darth Vader, Stormtrooper, Death Star (Navy) trooper, Jawa, and Tusken Raider. Released well before the 12" line at 3.75".

apologies.

And the figure to which you are referring is the "Death Squad Commander"

1 hour ago, NeonWolf said:

the devs said that they had about 2 years worth of releases planned

That's extremely interesting: wonder if that 2nd year's worth does or doesn't include Clone Wars.

Kenner toy number 12

1 minute ago, TauntaunScout said:

That's extremely interesting: wonder if that 2nd year's worth does or doesn't include Clone Wars.

*shrug* no clue. The only information we have about Clone Wars in Legion is the blurb during the InFlight Report at Gencon 2018 that said "We'll be talking about Legion early next year (2019).

1 hour ago, Zrob314 said:

And the figure to which you are referring is the "Death Squad Commander"

Yes he was at first. Then Kenner changed him to "Death Star Commander" after there were some actual death squads in the news. But the Kenner names for things rarely stuck around to this day. See also: 4-LOM/Zuckuss, and Veers/AT-AT Commander. Edit: Google implies that it was changed to "Star Destroyer Commander".

At any rate, a squad of them would be a good 3rd corps option for the Empire. They look right in Endor armies, open up ship crew themed armies, and would presumably have totally different stats. In theory, Navy or Army* troops should be more common than the "elite shock troops" anyways.

*Either in ROTJ scout walker uniforms, or SOLO armor.

20 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

That's extremely interesting: wonder if that 2nd year's worth does or doesn't include Clone Wars.

Can't know for sure, but it'd be a safe be to say it does with how that easily expands the pool of potential expansions

1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

In theory, Army* troops should be more common than the "elite shock troops" anyways.

*Either in ROTJ scout walker uniforms, or SOLO armor.

According to SOLO, the empire was beginning to phase them out and replace them with more Stormies.

29 minutes ago, Indy_com said:

According to SOLO, the empire was beginning to phase them out and replace them with more Stormies.

But they were still around all those years later in ROTJ. It all gets hard to take too seriously since a number of conflicting artistic visions have gotten canonized and decanonized here and there over the decades.

Some other movie or novelist will be allowed to change something back and forth and meanwhile, my shelf full of SW toys will look the same.

54 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

But they were still around all those years later in ROTJ. It all gets hard to take too seriously since a number of conflicting artistic visions have gotten canonized and decanonized here and there over the decades.

Some other movie or novelist will be allowed to change something back and forth and meanwhile, my shelf full of SW toys will look the same.

The AT-ST Driver seems to be using the old uniform, but considering they are the only example of the Imperial Army uniform outside of Named Generals it seems likely that the AT-ST drivers are an exception to the Army's disbandment.

I mean, if you have drivers who are perfectly capable of operating the newer vehicles, why would you train more?

17 minutes ago, Indy_com said:

The AT-ST Driver seems to be using the old uniform,

They can retcon them any which way, I'll still buy them. But the Navy troops are probably safer to make, for that retcon reason, and they are in more movies too.

2 hours ago, Indy_com said:

According to SOLO, the empire was beginning to phase them out and replace them with more Stormies.

Did it actually say that somewhere? I missed it?

As for the Death Troopers, in addition to bounty hunter squad conversions, I wonder if I can make them look convincingly snowy without making them look washed out.

Also has anyone else noticed how almost everything is "elite" in Star Wars now? It's someone's favourite adjective. These are the elite stormtroopers, but stormtroopes are already the elite shock troops... what are the empire's average shock troops? If stormtroopers are almost all the Empire uses then stormtroopers aren't elite anymore, they (stormtroopers) are average by definition. It's almost like all this Star Wars stuff is supposed to be fun or something...

According to the SOLO visual dictionary, the army infarntry (not the whole organisation!!!) was indeed fully replaced by stormtroopers. Their Canon version was just created by pooling all kinds auf auxiliary and other irregulars from the clone wars together and throwing all kinds of disgraced imperial military members in the mix to create a short term force. They are literally the ****hole every fighter/military member, the empire doesn't want to keep in the long run get thrown into to get grinded away sooner rather than later. I presume the in universe reason to create them was, that building up the storm trooper corps to match its task in the whole empire took enough time that an transitional short term force was necessary.

8 hours ago, LennoxPoodle said:

According to the SOLO visual dictionary,

Thanks for the clarification.

And yet they were still around in ROTJ... Why have a simple and consistent approach when retcons and rationalizations are to be made? Thanks, Hollywood!

I can't make out much of the Death Trooper's cards in the pics. Seems like there's an awful lot of them which is nice. I wonder if/when we'll cap out all the grenades for the game. I don't know why, I just like grenades.

I can't help feeling like after snow, sand, space, and scout troopers that death troopers are specialized for deployment to cemeteries and funeral homes though.

51 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Thanks for the clarification.

And yet they were still around in ROTJ... Why have a simple and consistent approach when retcons and rationalizations are to be made? Thanks, Hollywood!

Just head canon here, but maybe the empire kept a small amount of the "less effective" Imperial Army so if anyone questioned stormtroopers being the elite units they can point at the army and say "Well they're more elite than those guys..."

2 minutes ago, Indy_com said:

Just head canon here, but maybe the empire kept a small amount of the "less effective" Imperial Army so if anyone questioned stormtroopers being the elite units they can point at the army and say "Well they're more elite than those guys..."

They used to get better game stats than stormtroopers. I miss the old justification that it was because in the dangerous world of imperial bribery and blackmail, stormtroopers were valued for their unwavering loyalty. Giving pros and cons to different things made it feel more real.

But. Movie makes don't care about any of this stuff like we do. So some other GCW era movie will come out, a designer or director will have a vision, use a costume, and it'll all get shuffled around again.

2 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

Thanks for the clarification.

And yet they were still around in ROTJ... Why have a simple and consistent approach when retcons and rationalizations are to be made? Thanks, Hollywood!

I can't make out much of the Death Trooper's cards in the pics. Seems like there's an awful lot of them which is nice. I wonder if/when we'll cap out all the grenades for the game. I don't know why, I just like grenades.

I can't help feeling like after snow, sand, space, and scout troopers that death troopers are specialized for deployment to cemeteries and funeral homes though.

I would disagree here. The guys we see in RotJ are just AT-ST drivers. Yes their uniform is similar to that of army infantry ("mudtroopers") but that does not make them such. According to wookieepedia stormtroopers and walkers are part of the army too. It's more like say rangers and deltas rather than army and marines. Also similar to the standard officers field kit (Veers equipment, in canon also shown on Tarkin and Thrawn).

2 hours ago, LennoxPoodle said:

I would disagree here. The guys we see in RotJ are just AT-ST drivers. Yes their uniform is similar to that of army infantry ("mudtroopers") but that does not make them such. According to wookieepedia stormtroopers and walkers are part of the army too. It's more like say rangers and deltas rather than army and marines. Also similar to the standard officers field kit (Veers equipment, in canon also shown on Tarkin and Thrawn).

Great. But I bought squads of them carrying guns labeled as "imperial army troopers" back in the day from West End. Who's material Lucas was so smitten with, that he sent it to novelists to read for background.

Ah, the shifting sands of licensing...

@TauntaunScout If we talk legends the matter is of course completely different. But drawing conclusions from legends towards canon can backfire pretty much (Not always though). But I know, that you knew that before talking about army troopers in RotJ.

14 minutes ago, LennoxPoodle said:

@TauntaunScout If we talk legends the matter is of course completely different. But drawing conclusions from legends towards canon can backfire pretty much (Not always though). But I know, that you knew that before talking about army troopers in RotJ.

For a long time I took the canon seriously. I don't anymore. They burned it out of me. All I know is, if it appears in a movie, it's a potential gaming model.

All canon concerns aside, I still think black uniformed/helmeted Navy troops are a better Legion option than Army troops for reasons I've laid out. Let's steer it back to Death Troopers. My fault for going down this far down the rabbit hole.