Stunned pilot and 'Ignoring obstacles'

By Szymon Koczowski, in X-Wing Rules Questions

How does that work?
Does collision detector or Dash and Qi'ra prevent the ship from receiving damage?

Ignoring obstacles has been defined as ignoring their effects. You still overlapped the obstacle, which is the trigger for Stunned Pilot... it doesn't care whether or not you suffered any effects from the obstacle itself.

Is here any official statement on it? I need it for my local tournament :)

The damage from stunned pilot is from stunned pilot, not from the obstacle, it's not an effect of the obstacle.

There's no official ruling, it's not needed. The rules are perfectly clear, and if you need precedent, there's plenty from official rulings re. dash and outrider... you know, working.

I'm not out to contradict anything...

...other than the use of the word "clear" to describe FFG's "ignore means ignore in this way, but not ignore in that way" rulings.

Why is it always Han Solo (Rebel Pilot, Scum Pilot) who causes so many of these problems?

Han isn't related to this at all tho?

7 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Han isn't related to this at all tho?

Scum Han may have Qi'ra onboard. My question is related more to Collision Detector tough ;)

5 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

I'm not out to contradict anything...

...other than the use of the word "clear" to describe FFG's "ignore means ignore in this way, but not ignore in that way" rulings.

Why is it always Han Solo (Rebel Pilot, Scum Pilot) who causes so many of these problems?

They're clear they're just not necessarily logical lol

5 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

They're clear they're just not necessarily logical lol

Can there be clarity without logic, though? :D :P

6 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Han isn't related to this at all tho?

Yeah, it was more Qi'ra with Scum Han + Trick Shot... I'd forgotten the original context for the moment, but I was sure that scruffy looking smuggler was involved somehow.

Is there anyone we can tag who can put an official statement on this? :D
Resilience to this interpretation is strong within my local group.

No.

Can you in detail explain how does this interaction work then?

On 12/2/2018 at 9:41 PM, thespaceinvader said:

The damage from stunned pilot is from stunned pilot, not from the obstacle, it's not an effect of the obstacle.

There's no official ruling, it's not needed. The rules are perfectly clear, and if you need precedent, there's plenty from official rulings re. dash and outrider... you know, working.

Stunned pilot is checking whether you crossed an obstacle. It doesn't care if you ignored the obstacle, your template still touched it.

4 hours ago, Szymon Koczowski said:

Is there anyone we can tag who can put an official statement on this? :D
Resilience to this interpretation is strong within my local group.

Here is the relevant ruling in the FAQ at the top of this subforum (it's the very first entry).

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Q: What does “ignores obstacles” mean? Do Han Solo [Pilot, Customized YT-1300] and Qi’ra [Crew] work together? What about Dash Rendar [YT-2400] and Outrider [Title]?

A: When an effect says a ship “ignores obstacles,” it means that ship “ignores the effects of obstacles.” A ship that is “ignoring obstacles” does not apply the effects of overlapping or moving through them. When that ship performs an attack that is obstructed by an obstacle it ignores the effects of the obstruction, so the defender does not roll 1 additional defense die being obstructed by the obstacles the attacker is ignoring.

However, the obstacles are still treated as being present for effects that check for their presence or absence. Additionally, an attack is obstructed by an obstacle even while the effects of the obstacle are ignored. This applies to cards such as Outrider, Han Solo [Pilot, Customized YT-1300], and Trick Shot (Talent).

Additionally, other ships do not ignore the obstacle when resolving effects that interact with a ship that is ignoring obstacles. For instance, while a ship that is ignoring obstacles defends, if the attack is obstructed, it still rolls 1 additional defense die because the attacker is not ignoring the effects of obstacles.

Important take-aways:

1) The ship doesn't get to pretend the obstacle doesn't exist; it ignores the effects of obstacles. So you still move through/overlap obstacles you are ignoring, or else Dash wouldn't be able to use the second part of Outrider's ability:

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We know that Dash can use the second part of Outrider's ability, therefore we know that you still move through and overlap obstacles that are being ignored--you ignore the effects and not the presence of the obstacle itself.

2) The damage from Stunned Pilot is not an effect of an obstacle. That effect comes purely from the crit card. And since you still move through/overlap obstacles while ignoring them, doing so triggers the crit card and deals a damage.