Seems solid although dropping Rey's title for M9 on Nien might be the way to go?

(55) Nien Numb
(0) Integrated S-foils
(1) Heroic
(5) Pattern Analyzer
Points 61

(38) L'ulo L'ampar
(1) Heroic
Points 39

(80) Rey
(10) Finn
(5) Rey's Millenium Falcon
Points 95

Total points: 195

Nah, Rey LOVES her title. She also loves cybernetics lol

Bid needed at all here you think?

Probably. Honestly, if it were me, I'd trade Finn for Cybers and a bid on Rey. The odds are high that she'll have a blank without his contribution.

As for the other 2 ships, I am neither convinced nor not convinced by their potential

Pattern analyser on Nien feels contra productive since he clears every stress in R1.

Bids are personal and localy determined. In the first big 2.0 tournament a guy won with Bobba/Guri and a 13pt bid. Wich started the extreme bid trend in a very few people.

Dont play that game fly better. Learn how to bump properly.

Not to mention, now with the nerfed repositioning. 10-15 pts of equipment got higher value (in a majority of the cases).

How much bid does your list really need? A wing shoots with a Turret, niens ability works while he moves, reys arc is hughe (just fly it smart).

With only i5s u propably want a bid, but dont panic over those 1 in a 100 games bids 😛

2 hours ago, Muppetfluffer said:

Pattern analyser on Nien feels contra productive since he clears every stress in R1.

Bids are personal and localy determined. In the first big 2.0 tournament a guy won with Bobba/Guri and a 13pt bid. Wich started the extreme bid trend in a very few people.

Dont play that game fly better. Learn how to bump properly.

Not to mention, now with the nerfed repositioning. 10-15 pts of equipment got higher value (in a majority of the cases).

How much bid does your list really need? A wing shoots with a Turret, niens ability works while he moves, reys arc is hughe (just fly it smart).

With only i5s u propably want a bid, but dont panic over those 1 in a 100 games bids 😛

Pattern Analyser has been reworded. It's basically PTL for Nien.

1 hour ago, Sonikgav said:

Pattern  Analyser has been reworded. It's basically PTL for Nien.  

Totally missed that!

We got anyt official source on it or is it just Rai vs Rei?

1 hour ago, Muppetfluffer said:

Totally missed that!

We got anyt official source on it or is it just Rai vs Rei?

Its literally the wording.

The old one moved the check stress step, this one just inserts an action. Doesn't do anything to the normal action step.

Holy HEГГ I never noticed that Nien gets so good that way

I've been playing with a list that has Nien with squad leader and Black one title.

So for instance, all assuming your manuevers place you in front of a enemy at range one. You can do a talon roll, pattern analyser linked action (focus, barrel role), clear stress, clear stress again. Do action and SLAM, another Talon Roll, triggers pattern analyser again for another action (coordinate someone else or double mod). Clear stress.

Pattern Analyser says “after you perform a red maneuver, before the check difficulty step, you may perform one action.” (Bold added)

edit: Don’t get me wrong I’ll 100% fly Nein with Pattern Analyser and Black One for double-Tallon-roll SLAM hijinx. Or Poe, for that matter, though he’d get triple-stressed wouldn’t he.

19 minutes ago, Tyhar7 said:

I've been playing with a list that has Nien with squad leader and Black one title.

So for instance, all assuming your manuevers place you in front of a enemy at range one. You can do a talon roll, pattern analyser linked action (focus, barrel role), clear stress, clear stress again. Do action and SLAM, another Talon Roll, triggers pattern analyser again for another action (coordinate someone else or double mod). Clear stress.

You forgot advanced Slam

3 minutes ago, Sonikgav said:

You forgot advanced Slam

Haha very true... action from that.. then clear the stress ahahahhahaha

EDIT:

Not sure I could justify the 3 points for an action you can only do one tho.

Nien with PA is fantastic, as mentioned above the s foils being closed opens up the option to double stress someone and B1 is just the icing on the cake for some truly insane rounds.

Nien is the new Porkins.

As for the others in the list, Lulo seems like a good deal and Heroic protects his lowered agility a little, while Rey just seems like a great deal. I think you just TL and then having Finn is worth it even if her force ends up converting focus results from the reroll.

Question is, would it be worth trading one of these guys out for a proton bomb launching Starfortress?

When does stress from debris happen? If Nien goes over one and ends his move, a 4 fwd say, at range 0-1 of an enemy can he pass the stress over? (Even if the debris cloud was outside of range 1 of that enemy.)

3 minutes ago, FriendofYoda said:

When does stress from debris happen? If Nien goes over one and ends his move, a 4 fwd say, at range 0-1 of an enemy can he pass the stress over? (Even if the debris cloud was outside of range 1 of that enemy.)

After he completes his maneuver, yes.

2 hours ago, FriendofYoda said:

When does stress from debris happen? If Nien goes over one and ends his move, a 4 fwd say, at range 0-1 of an enemy can he pass the stress over? (Even if the debris cloud was outside of range 1 of that enemy.)

Not sure where you're getting the 'pass stress over' from?

Niens ability is;

"After you gain a stress token, if there is an enemy ship in your {forward arc} at range 0-1, you may remove that stress token"

So he just clears his own stress, he doesn't pass it to the enemy ship...

4 minutes ago, DexterOnone said:

Not sure where you're getting the 'pass stress over' from?

Niens ability is;

"After you gain a stress token, if there is an enemy ship in your {forward arc} at range 0-1, you may remove that stress token"

So he just clears his own stress, he doesn't pass it to the enemy ship...

Probably mixing up 4-LOM's and Nien's abilities. Happens some times.

5 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Probably mixing up 4-LOM's and Nien's abilities. Happens some times.

Yup!

9 hours ago, FriendofYoda said:

When does stress from debris happen? If Nien goes over one and ends his move, a 4 fwd say, at range 0-1 of an enemy can he pass the stress over? (Even if the debris cloud was outside of range 1 of that enemy.)

Per the rulebook, after the Check Pilot Stress step, so the Pattern Analyzer effect happens first.

12 hours ago, SpiderMana said:

Pattern Analyser says “after you perform a red maneuver, before the check difficulty step, you may perform one action.” (Bold added)

edit: Don’t get me wrong I’ll 100% fly Nein with Pattern Analyser and Black One for double-Tallon-roll SLAM hijinx. Or Poe, for that matter, though he’d get triple-stressed wouldn’t he.

With Black One, it'll depend on the sequence.

SLAM can *ONLY* be performed as the ship's normal action in the Perform Action step, thus never from the Pattern Analyzer free action.

So the double Tallon Roll turn is only going to be open to Ello Asty with 2 or fewer stress (for white T-Rolls) or Nien Nunb, if he's able to clear his stress from the Tallon Roll due to having an enemy R1 in arc. Poe won't be able to T-Roll SLAM T-Roll with currently existing cards, since nothing is going to keep him from gaining the stress.

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Here's one thing which just occurred to me about Nien Nunb: he might be a good soft-counter to 4-LOM, chucking away stress he's handed. I'd have to check the wording on the stress "gain" vs "transfer" or whatever, but it's late and I don't want to do it right now. It might not work.

13 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Here's one thing which just occurred to me about Nien Nunb: he might be a good soft-counter to 4-LOM, chucking away stress he's handed. I'd have to check the wording on the stress "gain" vs "transfer" or whatever, but it's late and I don't want to do it right now. It might not work.

To help out.

Nien Numb: After you gain a stress token, if there is an enemy ship in your (front arc) at range 0-1, you may remove that stress token.

4-L0M: After you fully execute a red maneuver, gain 1 calculate token. At the start of the End Phase, you may choose 1 ship at range 0-1. If you do, transfer 1 of your stress tokens to that ship.

I think as long as Nien has 4-LOM in his front arc he discards the token.

I think we can safely say Nien will never let you have a calculate token for 0-0-0 if there's a ship in his arc at range 0-1...

9 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

To help out.

Nien Numb: After you gain a stress token, if there is an enemy ship in your (front arc) at range 0-1, you may remove that stress token.

4-L0M: After you fully execute a red maneuver, gain 1 calculate token. At the start of the End Phase, you may choose 1 ship at range 0-1. If you do, transfer 1 of your stress tokens to that ship.

I think as long as Nien has 4-LOM in his front arc he discards the token.

Here's the tricky thing, however. From Tokens (p.18):

• When a ship is instructed to Gain a token, a token from the supply is placed in the play area next to the ship.
• When a ship is instructed to Spend a token or there is an instruction to Remove a token from a ship, a token of that type is returned from that ship to the supply.
• When a ship is instructed to Transfer a token to another ship, it is removed from that ship and assigned to the other ship.
  • If a ship involved in a transfer is not able to remove or gain the token involved, the transfer cannot take place.

I recall there was some discussion on an interaction between Kyle Katarn's ability and Jyn Erso. Kyle Transfers a focus token, but Jyn's trigger to substitute an evade token is gaining. I think I'm kind of on the side of Jyn not being able to change Kyle's focus token. By extension, Nien Nunb wouldn't work on 4-LOM. A clarification on whether "gain" effects trigger on transfers would be handy, but in the meanwhile, I kinda think no.

Jyn is different because it specifies "Before you receive a focus, replace..."

The target of the evade never gets a focus in the first place.

Nein fully accepts the stress token, he just then ditches it. He doesn't block it or not receive it etc, in fact he HAS to receive it for the effect to trigger.