4 hours ago, Marinealver said:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/8/14/essential-upgrades/

So system open for each faction they have a list of upgrade cards (usually 3 per faction) to be voted on in a public online poll. Which ever card gets the most votes is the required upgrade in every list playing that faction.

That’s the Coruscant Invitational. It happened in October and is over.

System Opens are Extended format and have no restrictions.

Hyperspace events use the Hyperspace format.

8 hours ago, Marinealver said:

Yeah they kind of had to. I mean lets face it, fans of the franchise are not too charmed with the Disney's versions considering the last 2 movies.

Please speak for yourself, and not for the "fans".

Regarding the format,it is fine I guess. We usually do local tournaments completely outside of the FFG standards, and the prizes that are interesting are nearly always provided by the local stores or clubs. Nor do we really care about the tournament schedule and ladder of FFG most of the time. So what the "official" format is for these tournaments does not really matter that much, but it is interesting to have an alternative format for variety. I only fear that FFG will not balance for Extended, which is the usual problem in games with more than 1 competitve format.

4 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

Reread the article. It implies that the mandatory upgrade chosen buy popular vote was a one off thing for the Coruscant Invitational.

Edit: Just hit me, the Poles had a System Open and @Oldpara was in it so they might have a better idea if that pop vote crap was in play.

As Polish SoS was world-first this season and officialy announced very late, we were able to play Extended format for the whole tournament (in the main event and during Hyperspace)

No Glory and Favorites (not sure if it's correct English name for this one) formats were available in Hangar Bay pods. But due to quite nice prize policy (you get prize ticket for every game played - even lost one in Hyperspace) everyone played in main event to the end, and I doubt even single Pod has stared.

I'd be surprised if FFG doesn't at least attempt to balance extended format. I'd be astounded if they did a good job of it.

Hyperspace should be much more manageable to balance. Especially because they can just boot a card if they want to.

I'm going to say that Hyperspace format around wave 5 is going to be the "golden age" of 2nd edition that everyone looks back on fondly in 5 years. Right now, Hyperspace is a little constricted.

Hyperspace make me and my friends decide to not go to any official tournament this season, and concentrate time and money of my groups of fellow star wars fans in the more rewarding campaign of star wars roleplay game. It taste too much the way Magic and other cards game are to be appealing.

Isn’t Hyperspace Cup only after you qualify? Otherwise, isn’t System Open an ongoing thing?

16 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

Barring SIGNIFICANT balance changes, it's going to be exclusively Boba v Rey

And then if Boba gets the axe, it'll prob just be Rey

Just as the Disney overlords intended. (No, I don’t think they have any clue how to balance a game or make a good game piece, but the directive to ffg “get Rey on tables everywhere” is easy enough to do without understanding game design).

12 hours ago, Marinealver said:

Thing is apparently it has been determined that both of those formats are ill-suited for organized completive play. So now 2 OP completive formats are replacing the other formats (lets not forget about the casual prebuild format).

• System Open extended format with a faction required upgrade card chosen by a public vote on social media
• Hyperspace mostly 2nd edition, most of the conversion kits are not allowed with the exception of resistance and 1st order otherwise that faction will only have 1 ship.

The biggest issue with this is that the System Opens are relatively few and far between. This means people who want to play extended really won’t get to, unless their FLGS isn’t too busy running “practice for Hyperspace!!!” games.

I am only in for extended format. I have no interest in playing against exclusively Boba, Rey-Poe, and Tie swarm.

40 minutes ago, CapitanGuinea said:

Hyperspace make me and my friends decide to not go to any official tournament this season

Same - I’m out except for extended events. Just gives me the excuse to go to flgs weekly Legion night.

I won't waste time and money going to an event where i have to use ships i don't even like, sure i could learn to use a swarm of Strikers but i only own 1 and would have to spend another 80$ or so once the new version is released, and that ain't gonna happen.

It's amazing how everyone knows how the format is going to be when we've still not even got all the factions released and they've never played a single game and we don't know what the points costs are going to be.

15 hours ago, prauxim said:

Regional aren't "replaced" so much as they just don't exist anymore.

Agreed. Pretty much the same thing can be said about Store Champs.

I'm really interested in this format. I'm not sure why all of the bellyaching, it's a different format, not the ONLY format, after years of a single competitive format, it's a breath of fresh air, and the only way to introduce the new factions in a fair-ish way

7 hours ago, Jhiriit said:

Please speak for yourself, and not for the "fans".

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Is it incorrect to say that many people did not like the last episode and that the last movie didn't do well in the box office?

1 hour ago, SOTL said:

It's amazing how everyone knows how the format is going to be when we've still not even got all the factions released and they've never played a single game and we don't know what the points costs are going to be.

We've got everything we expect to get until January at the very least, probably until March or April. I'll probably be playing my only System Open this year in this list building environment and with this as the side even format, largely unchanged.

I don't NEED to play it to know that I can no longer use all of my favourite ships in those formats, because I can't use all of my favourite ships in those formats.

It's going to be super fun competing to get a shiny see through plastic Guri I'm not going to be able to run at regionals. SUPER FUN.

21 minutes ago, Hobbyist said:

I'm really interested in this format. I'm not sure why all of the bellyaching, it's a different format, not the ONLY format, after years of a single competitive format, it's a breath of fresh air, and the only way to introduce the new factions in a fair-ish way

well, to be fair, people may be worried that it'll be THE competitive format

which may be a problem if your lgs wants to practice for competitive events and therefore lock you out of your cool ships

Personally believe that the format will only truly be worth exploring once we have ALL the factions out and ready to contribute to the variety of the scene, but that's just my opinion. Things may definitely change if the jan points rebalance lands properly

1 hour ago, SOTL said:

It's amazing how everyone knows how the format is going to be when we've still not even got all the factions released and they've never played a single game and we don't know what the points costs are going to be.

We do know what the point cost is going to be. The Hyperspace format legality was in the point sheet posted in the rules section.

As for knowing how the format is going to play, we have a good idea because the ships that are allowed have already been out and we have seen them on the table. this format is not adding anything new (that is Wave 2 and waves have always been the unknown factor with new ships). However this format takes away options. If it was adding things you could say there is no way to tell, but taking away ships, we are going to have a good idea on what is going to be on top because we already seen the ships in action by trying them out once or twice.

10 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

We do know what the point cost is going to be. The Hyperspace format legality was in the point sheet posted in the rules section.

As for knowing how the format is going to play, we have a good idea because the ships that are allowed have already been out and we have seen them on the table. this format is not adding anything new (that is Wave 2 and waves have always been the unknown factor with new ships). However this format takes away options. If it was adding things you could say there is no way to tell, but taking away ships, we are going to have a good idea on what is going to be on top because we already seen the ships in action by trying them out once or twice.

No we don't, because we know a points review is coming in January.

These are the placeholder 'for now' points. Just like for all anyone knows the Hyperspace legality column is also 'for now'.

Personally I think the points will change and legality doesn't change, but either way Hyperspace won't matter really until Wave 3 is out. If the sky is falling it's only falling really slowly, just chill out.

15 minutes ago, SOTL said:

No we don't, because we know a points review is coming in January.

These are the placeholder 'for now' points. Just like for all anyone knows the Hyperspace legality column is also 'for now'.

Personally I think the points will change and legality doesn't change, but either way Hyperspace won't matter really until Wave 3 is out. If the sky is falling it's only falling really slowly, just chill out.

Some people would rather make their voices heard early and loudly rather than lie down under the steamroller and "wait and see" if they like getting crushed by it.

But it's easier to tell other people to "wait and see" when it's something that you're in favor of.

1. You don't know what it is.

2. You don't know if it's good or not.

3. You don't know how often it will happen to you, if at all.

4. You know you're against it.

Well, ok. I can't argue with that sort of bulletproof reasoning.

20 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

Barring SIGNIFICANT balance changes, it's going to be exclusively Boba v Rey

And then if Boba gets the axe, it'll prob just be Rey

To be fair, with the Phantom and Fel and Redline and Jonus all taken away, the Empire will probably start flying the Howl + Iden + 5x TIE Swarm. It's a very good list, even dominant against some match-ups, but (1) it's less fun to fly then tricked out Aces, (2) it's more expensive in you need lots of TIEs and conversion materials, and (3) a lot of players feel like flying a swarm all day is exhausting.

But with the TIE Swarm likely being the best thing left in the rubble for Empire, I'd expect Empire players to start flying it in force. Which is actually bad news for Rebels, because I've never seen the classic Wedge + Luke + Friend or Wedge + Dutch + Garven or Four Snubs rebel lists ever beat a Howl-Swarm in 2.0, since they're at such a jousting disadvantage against it.

We shall see.

Here's one thing we do know, however: FFG has historically never been that great at balance (either absolute level, or with responsive adjustments). If FFG was as good at balance and timeliness as Privateer Press is with Warmachine/Hordes, there'd be a lot more faith in Hyperspace.

At least for me, I don't distrust Hyperspace. I distrust FFG's balancing skills.

2 hours ago, SOTL said:

It's amazing how everyone knows how the format is going to be when we've still not even got all the factions released and they've never played a single game and we don't know what the points costs are going to be.

I don’t need to see the other factions to know how the current ones will do against each other.

I would assume point costs are the same between extended and hyperspace, so we have a good enough idea pending point changes.

The reality is: I have a lot of plastic ships. I’d rather be able to swap them in and out as I see fit rather than be limited to a very small handful. The rest of the format argument is trivial to me at this point.

I am extended format only, if for no other reason than the ability to pick and choose the ships I already have.

1 minute ago, theBitterFig said:

Here's one thing we do know, however: FFG has historically never been that great at balance (either absolute level, or with responsive adjustments).

At least for me, I don't distrust Hyperspace. I distrust FFG's balancing skills.

Indeed, I think a lot of folks are a bit disappointed with the lack of balance in 2.0, given all the promise and hype of a better balanced game.

Taking away options won't magically produce better balance, as there's no reason to think there won't still be over-represented and under-represented ships/pilots/upgrades in the competitive scene performance data. I feel like this format will still lead to truncated competitive options and archetypes, with the only difference being that players can't use large chunks of their collection.

I’ll enjoy Hyperspace every once in a while. Dipping into other formats brings some variety, and thus adds some spice to the experience. However, I will still be primarily playing Extended for the freedom to use what I want, when I want.

24 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Here's one thing we do know, however: FFG has historically never been that great at balance (either absolute level, or with responsive adjustments). If FFG was as good at balance and timeliness as Privateer Press is with Warmachine/Hordes, there'd be a lot more faith in Hyperspace.

At least for me, I don't distrust Hyperspace. I distrust FFG's balancing skills.

That's very fair. If nothing else having Extended be imbalanced in one way and Hyperspace imbalanced in another way will be at least some variation and an improvement on just playing Extended's imbalance 100% of the time.

My sense is that it's probably going to be 70/30 split towards Extended being dominant, with the odd store here or there where Hyperspace really takes off and it's 30/70. It'll take Hyperspace proving it's the more interesting and fun format (which I'm confident it will be) to push towards a 50/50 split.