13 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

They didn't B-wings are not allowed.

6 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Rebels didn't have A-Wings or B-Wings at Yavin IV in ANH.

Right now the allowed ships for Empire and Rebels were at the both of the battles involving the first Death Star that have made it to film.

I'm thinking the next set of Imp ships to drop will be the Tie Bomber, TIE Brute, TIE Interceptor and Lambda. Rebels wise Ghost and the shuttles, A-Wings and B-Wings. Scum I'm not sure, not much canon left that I recall other than the Quad. Lancer + Quad maybe?

How did they decide what generic cards would be Hyperspace legal and what not? I mean, I know the list is posted but how did they decide on it? Just wondering

5 minutes ago, KiloFiX9 said:

How did they decide what generic cards would be Hyperspace legal and what not? I mean, I know the list is posted but how did they decide on it? Just wondering

If I were going to take a guess. The cards that are found in the 2nd edition expansions, core, and the Wave 14 2.0 upgrades.

3 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

If I were going to take a guess. The cards that are found in the 2nd edition expansions, core, and the Wave 14 2.0 upgrades.

So their thinking is everything else from the conversion kits are somewhat temporary at this time and not 100% second edition?

On ‎11‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 4:59 PM, KiloFiX9 said:

So their thinking is everything else from the conversion kits are somewhat temporary at this time and not 100% second edition?

Well the conversion kits were to get 1st edition models playable with 2nd edition (which is a reasonable expectation). I believe the plan was that eventually everything in the conversion kits will be released in a 2nd edition expansion on later waves.

The 2 different formats 2nd edition and extended were to try and keep things level for new player (or those that prefer to play the newer factions) to have a level playing field for those from the start of X-wing miniatures, while keeping those old players who still have plenty of models from the last edition still being allowed to play X-wing in its current and supported form.

Thing is apparently it has been determined that both of those formats are ill-suited for organized completive play. So now 2 OP completive formats are replacing the other formats (lets not forget about the casual prebuild format).

• System Open extended format with a faction required upgrade card chosen by a public vote on social media
• Hyperspace mostly 2nd edition, most of the conversion kits are not allowed with the exception of resistance and 1st order otherwise that faction will only have 1 ship.

Sorry for the stupid question but I've been out of the loop for a while. What is Hyperspace? A tournament? Is it differenct to the System Open?

Finally. I wish it was 2.0 only though. I want to get the feel of different metas as new ships are re-released.

Just now, Dr Zoidberg said:

Sorry for the stupid question but I've been out of the loop for a while. What is Hyperspace? A tournament? Is it differenct to the System Open?

The new tournament subtype they're running parallel with the System Opens. Has fairly hefty restrictions on what is and isn't allowed to be in a squad. Today's updated Points and Slot PDFs have the information for what can be taken in them. Happy flying.

What does it mean by faction required upgrade card for System Open?

15 minutes ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

Sorry for the stupid question but I've been out of the loop for a while. What is Hyperspace? A tournament? Is it differenct to the System Open?

So with the new edition of X-wing there has been concerns on how 1st edition will fit in all of this. After all if all the models from 1st edition were not allowed that would make many fans angry, likewise for those that are newer to the game and don't have a 1st edition collection, or those that want to play with the newer factions would be at a disadvantage. So there were 2 formats made, one for all possible ships to include conversion kits called extended. And one that only includes expansions that have 2nd edition components called 2nd edition. Problem with 2nd edition is that there are some factions that have only 1 or 2 ships (wave 2), which is not enough.

I believe Scum & Villainy was at a convention FFG or something they mentioned in a podcast, where they were at a panel which an FFG OP rep took a tally on who thinks the premier completive format is going to be extended and who thinks the premier completive format is going to be 2nd edition. Then proceeded to say "All of you are wrong it is going to be hyperspace".

So 2nd edition format is now about as defunct even more so than casual (which uses prebuild threat cards for list building). Extended is only competitive at a store setting ,System Open is its own thing, the premier completive format to be used is Hyperspace which is closer to 2nd edition than extended. I mean it is more than 2nd edition, because the 1st Order needs more than a TIE/FO for it to be its own faction. But it isn't much more and the more expensive conversion kits (scum, empire) has the least value as far as competitive play.

I for one welcome our hyperspace overlords.

32 minutes ago, KiloFiX9 said:

What does it mean by faction required upgrade card for System Open?

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/8/14/essential-upgrades/

So system open for each faction they have a list of upgrade cards (usually 3 per faction) to be voted on in a public online poll. Which ever card gets the most votes is the required upgrade in every list playing that faction.

3 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/8/14/essential-upgrades/

So system open for each faction they have a list of upgrade cards (usually 3 per faction) to be voted on in a public online poll. Which ever card gets the most votes is the required upgrade in every list playing that faction.

That was the invitational. Invite only. I don't remember anything in that article stating the pop vote bull was going to be applied to the System Opens in general.

4 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

That was the invitational. Invite only. I don't remember anything in that article stating the pop vote bull was going to be applied to the System Opens in general.

That seems to be the modern version.

At first it used the hanger bay format, but again it also had modified wins which I don't believe is used anymore.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/1/27/open-briefing/

3 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

That seems to be the modern version.

At first it used the hanger bay format, but again it also had modified wins which I don't believe is used anymore.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/1/27/open-briefing/

Reread the article. It implies that the mandatory upgrade chosen buy popular vote was a one off thing for the Coruscant Invitational.

Edit: Just hit me, the Poles had a System Open and @Oldpara was in it so they might have a better idea if that pop vote crap was in play.

5 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Reread the article. It implies that the mandatory upgrade chosen buy popular vote was a one off thing for the Coruscant Invitational.

Edit: Just hit me, the Poles had a System Open and @Oldpara was in it so they might have a better idea if that pop vote crap was in play.

Well the pop votes has been in since 2015. I mean yeah the system open format is more than that but boy the tournament structure is just way more complicated for me to explain (or even be a fan of that format). I'm just focusing on the listbuilding aspects of the format.

At very least, Hyperspace is a better name than "Second Edition" format.

Will conversion kits remain compatible with the new factions going forward or did I buy those for only a couple months of play before they get phases out?

Will wave 2, 3+ be useable in Extended? I for one am not happy that Hyperspace is taking over all tournaments, otherwise I would be fine with it. I am a little upset that they didn't announce this when they released the original conversion kits, I may not have bought (all of) them.

4 hours ago, baranidlo said:

If you think so.. But be ready to be disappointed.

Boba can realistically take on 3 ships by himself in the late game, and still come on top.

Vader can dodge front arc quite well, but dodging rear arc while still engaging Boba is much more difficult.

I recommend you to actually try the matchup before presenting conclusions..

I have before

6 hours ago, svelok said:

And Boba, not Boba plus Palob stealing your tokens and a pair of tugboats tossing Boba up the board and then throwing you onto rocks.

I feel like this is a personal attack 😐

Hyperspace is going to be much better than extended. Sure, we can't fly all our fave ships, but you can't fly most of them in extended anyway without getting stomped by palob, whisper, redline, gunrunners, etc.

Rebels have torp alpha (which is decent) and luke/han (probably not too healthy if torps are common)
Imperials have the tie swarm (not amazing) and some sort of play with vader/reaper/something (sabacc or maarek imo). The reaper is probably going to be important for imperials staying relevant.
Scum have tons of options, from salads of assorted ships to coordinate + ace builds.

I'm quite bamboozled by FFG re-releasing the z-95 for scum. They don't need that ship for hyperspace format (not when they already have tie fighters and the shuttle) and FFG haven't made it legal for the format, so why release it?

43 minutes ago, gadwag said:

I'm quite bamboozled by FFG re-releasing the z-95 for scum. They don't need that ship for hyperspace format (not when they already have tie fighters and the shuttle) and FFG haven't made it legal for the format, so why release it?

To be sure, Scum doesn't need it to fill a role.

But.

First time in print as a stand-alone expansion, cool new paint job, and it's tied for longest time since release with other first-wave scum.

Meanwhile, with the fact that Scum is already the faction with the most diverse list options, I kind of like that they're getting a Hyperspace-redundant ship in Wave 3.

16 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Meanwhile, with the fact that Scum is already the faction with the most diverse list options, I kind of like that they're getting a Hyperspace-redundant ship in Wave 3.

I agree that the Z shouldn't be in hyperspace format, but it seems odd that they bothered to release it instead of, say, the rebel Z.

@ThinkingB Hyperspace format has hard limits on what ships and upgrades can be taken. I listed the generic upgrades that are not permitted with in the format currently. FFG has the updated points and slots pdfs available for download for all 5 of the current factions and the generic upgrades. Far right column of the pdfs indicates if a ship or upgrade can be taken in the Hyperspace format.