@Lord Preyer don’t vote Pod - that would put him at 2 and in turbo range if we are wrong.

In fact, ## unvote.

Nap time.

Look @ovinomanc3r if you read my posts you will find the same reason not to suspect me as LP did... however I think LP has found himself in a hole I read him as the most scummy based off his answers and am very confused by why he said what he said when he said it

1 hour ago, Lord Preyer said:

@Caldias - how do you read @PodRacer please?

I could see Pod as scum. He's usually hard for me to read, but he's been more or less aloof. Weirdly town Pod mostly votes all over the place before landing on someone who is usually a good read. Has he done that this game? Some, but not as much as usual. That said, this game has been a basket full of cats in a dryer (in a good way) so I don't have really solid reads on anyone outside Ovi due to the failed kill.

I could also see Matt. He was pretty aggro as others have said. But we also have plenty of time. If Matt or Pod flips town then we might want to look harder at LP.

So if we're considering Matt as a suspect, what do we think about the attack on ovi last night? Matt tried to kill ovi because he thought he knew something, or someone tried to frame Matt by killing ovi?

I can't help interpreting the attack on ovi as being related to the back and forth between Matt and ovi at the end of D3. Although if Matt really was getting mad at ovi and wanted to get back at him by NK, I would think his scum partner would prevent him from doing so.

16 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

So if we're considering Matt as a suspect, what do we think about the attack on ovi last night? Matt tried to kill ovi because he thought he knew something, or someone tried to frame Matt by killing ovi?

I can't help interpreting the attack on ovi as being related to the back and forth between Matt and ovi at the end of D3. Although if Matt really was getting mad at ovi and wanted to get back at him by NK, I would think his scum partner would prevent him from doing so.

It could be that, or it could be scum using that interaction as an easy way to cast suspicion on Matt. Could go either way.

I think a framing seems most probable. So Matt isn't #1 suspect for me.

I think I made a mistake reading LTD too early, His shift to 'tinfoil hat guy' and Itchy vote has got me thinking something like LP/LTD. The Ovi theory seems far fetched given Ovi has alot of good town posts in this one across days doesn't seem more like Ovi would be town here?

I'v not really been townreading LP's content all day.

Some of its even in french...

I really don't understand why LTD shifts trajectory after LP's claim despite not really questioning the ten or so posts beforehand that are not exactly reading as prime town content?

Correct

Because I know something you don’t know Pod, because I am vanilla town and you are not.

## vote PodRacer

Or should I say “your”

7 hours ago, LTD said:

@Lord Preyer don’t vote Pod - that would put him at 2 and in turbo range if we are wrong.

In fact, ## unvote.

Nap time.

Which is why I stated I was tempted to but haven’t yet. After what happened to me previously I am very anti-Turbo-ing or opening the door to Turboing!

6 hours ago, Matt3412 said:

Look @ovinomanc3r if you read my posts you will find the same reason not to suspect me as LP did... however I think LP has found himself in a hole I read him as the most scummy based off his answers and am very confused by why he said what he said when he said it

Sorry you’ve found that Matt, as Cal’s phrase wonderfully summarises: “cats in a dryer” levels of madness have made it hard to get to grips with this game.

But I read you as Town and so know at least that if my fate is to be “Drachrys” by your command it will most likely be for my own faults and not for reasons of a cunning Scum attack. In that I find justice and indeed a measure of peace strangely enough. After all, it means I can learn how to improve for next time on my own terms as opposed to just hoping for the failure of Scum - never a sound strategy!

Cal - I’m not sure if we mislynch that we do actually live to see the dawn for if there is a Night Kill as well isn’t that “GG”?

Lastly, I have LTD and Matt* now as Town. Should the two of you agree who to go for (that isn’t me! ) and desire my assistance I am happy to put my vote at your disposal. My starting position would indeed be Pod on the grounds of Scum-lynch process of elimination (for no lynch on me to have occured me/Pod/Matt is most probably Scum. I am not, I do not think Matt is, so... hi! Pod!).

* = and Ovi too if likely cleared by attack?

34 minutes ago, LTD said:

Because I know something you don’t know Pod, because I am vanilla town and you are not.

If Pod is scum he knows 😜

5 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

So if we're considering Matt as a suspect, what do we think about the attack on ovi last night? Matt tried to kill ovi because he thought he knew something, or someone tried to frame Matt by killing ovi?

I can't help interpreting the attack on ovi as being related to the back and forth between Matt and ovi at the end of D3. Although if Matt really was getting mad at ovi and wanted to get back at him by NK, I would think his scum partner would prevent him from doing so.

If Matt is traitor the attempt has still sense. Scum doesn't know, so they could want to cast suspicious on him without knowing he is a mate. In the worst case he got lynched and they get a mate so is a win-win to them.

The worst thing is that we must lynch the traitor (whether he is Pod or Matt) ,what is not good, cause we lost our only way to kill him otherwise.

7 hours ago, Lord Preyer said:

Ovi - now you can ‘speak normal like’ would you mind explaining your Cal point as I rather lost the thread there. Thanks!

Short story:

Ghost knew he was lying cause he was the arsonist. He avoid Jabba's dilemma cause even lynching Cal he would flip and then Ghost will be lynched next day. That was proved as completely true.

Cal did basically the same. If he is town he should pretty sure Ghost wasn't and vote him. But he didn't vote. Instead he also played the emojis non sense as Ghost did (cause it was his safeboat). Why? Cause he is scum and as Ghost he knew Ghost was lying cause he is scum. If he got Ghost lynched he was done the day after as Ghost would flip.

What neither of them knew was that ghost statement was also lie because the other alignment.

Jabba was spot and ghost and cal were lucky cause any of them liked the engagement.

I hope I explain why I think Cal is scum. And Matt is the best traitor in that scenario.

I don't want to say it is the only possible scenario as I agree with some of the accusations made and also Matt looks fairly town but IMHO is the most likely scenario as it explain a lot of things.

@Matt3412 let's say Pod is, who could be the other two in your opinion? Cause his connections are hard to me to unlock 🤔

Very quiet today.

Bedtime.

If pod claims vanilla town, lynch him. If he claims a role and no one counter claims, I will unvote.

1 hour ago, LTD said:

Because I know something you don’t know Pod, because I am vanilla town and you are not.

## vote PodRacer

huh..wha.. when did I claim VT????

1 hour ago, LTD said:

Very quiet today.

Bedtime.

If pod claims vanilla town, lynch him. If he claims a role and no one counter claims, I will unvote.

I am worried somehow about this.

If he claim a role the said role is dead tonight, so we know which role he's gonna claim if he is scum.

LTD, I have you really deep within the town group but this seems a clever scummy move to unroot the doc or a really stupid town suggestion .

LTD has been climbing up the suspect ladder today.

12 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

After thinking about it more, I don't think it would be great for fruit vendor to role claim unless under pressure. It would give scum one more name to cross off their list if they are trying to kill doc.

No response to this, and he tries to out a role AGAIN. Also that unvote on LP...wait, what?

@EbonHawk what are the requirements for town winning? Do we have to kill Goon and roleblocker only, or do we have to kill traitor too, even if traitor never joined the scum side?

Okay so I have narrowed it down to LP/Cal/LTD

In order

LTD un willingness to vote LP in my mind means Ltd is traitor/scum

Cal the no vote then in my mind puts him at scum

LP, however that puts him as SCUM in this scenario

If you want me to be Explicitly straight forward with you guys LP or Pod must die today for I fear they know too much

Because of the above I find it unlikely pod is anything but possibly a traitor

@EbonHawk follow up question is there scum day chat??

4 hours ago, LTD said:

Because I know something you don’t know Pod, because I am vanilla town and you are not.

## vote PodRacer

What if this is Ltd as the traitor revealing himself to pod, the no vote on LP also the other scum.

I fear I will be dead tonight

28 minutes ago, Matt3412 said:

@EbonHawk follow up question is there scum day chat??

Yes they do, which is why I find the idea of ill-coordinated scum to be unlikely.

##unvote

##vote LTD

Goes crazy

Takes a nap

Remains crazy

Goes to bed a few hours later.

Who does that?

Nawt Tayn.

I started this day suspecting Cal/Matt as scum, and LP as traitor. Now I'm thinking there must be two scum among Cal/LP/Matt/LTD.

I think someone may have tried to set Matt up, so I'm skeptical he's goon or roleblocker (could be traitor).

LTD I'm not sure about, my suspicions about him are new. He's either scum or playing town badly.

Cal/LP seems like a safer vote, and LP especially has been setting off alarms for me today.

Also if Cal/LP are both scum, it may explain why doc was able to heal before scum tried to kill ovi. LP and Cal were both not online at the time of the hammer / beginning of night, so doc would have had plenty of time beforehand to heal ovi.

##vote Lord Preyer

The Mob:

@The Jabbawookie - Dead Town Lie Detector

@ovinom  anc3r - (0) Matt

@clontroper5 - Dead (Town Universal Backup)

@Herowannabe - Disappeared

@Matt3412 - (0)

@Bertie Wooster - (0)

@GhostofNobodyInParticular Mk2- (0)

@PodRacer - (1) LTD , LTD

@Madaghmire - Dead Jailkeeper

@Caldias - (0)

@Lord Preyer - (3) Pod, Matt, Bertie

@LTD - (1)  Pod

8 Alive, 5 to hammer

Day 4 begins, ends 5pm GMT 08/12/18 3hrs 45mins

LP is L-2

2 hours ago, Matt3412 said:

@EbonHawk follow up question is there scum day chat?? 

Yes.

2 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

@EbonHawk what are the requirements for town winning? Do we have to kill Goon and roleblocker only, or do we have to kill traitor too, even if traitor never joined the scum side?

You have to kill all 3. Although if not recruited and left last the traitor will not have a night kill.

Fore warning, this night actions will have a 50/50 chance of working as we pass through a time rift. That applies to scum kill, roleblock, doc, and fruit

30 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

I started this day suspecting Cal/Matt as scum, and LP as traitor. Now I'm thinking there must be two scum among Cal/LP/Matt/LTD.

I think someone may have tried to set Matt up, so I'm skeptical he's goon or roleblocker (could be traitor).

LTD I'm not sure about, my suspicions about him are new. He's either scum or playing town badly.

Cal/LP seems like a safer vote, and LP especially has been setting off alarms for me today.

Also if Cal/LP are both scum, it may explain why doc was able to heal before scum tried to kill ovi. LP and Cal were both not online at the time of the hammer / beginning of night, so doc would have had plenty of time beforehand to heal ovi.

##vote Lord Preyer

If Matt is scum he is definitely the traitor.

One point to Matt is that he fought til the end to get a lynch. Ghost was not scum so no problem lynching him but he could very well avoid the lynch and we would have been here with both in the front line. Townie point to you Matt.

I am still convinced Cal should be one so who else tried to redirect the ghost vs Cal thing? With a day chat they could change the strategy they made during the night as soon as it looked possible to skip the dilemma... I should reread the start of D3.