On 12/5/2018 at 2:19 PM, Herowannabe said:

So I was about to post my plan for how I could contribute, but upon further review I realized that it would completely fail and most likely end with my immediate death. And that’s not helpful. So for now I’ll just add my vote to the biggest lynch train in order to hopefully prevent Scum from manipulating the lynch. I’ll follow mob mentality (for now) so if I need to switch my vote then @ mention me and I’ll try to get on before the end of the cycle to check.

## vote Gnips

Feels to me like Hero was considering a gambit but backed out when the opportunity to lynch occured.

If Hero was the Roleblocker scum that would explain a bit perhaps?

Or was he the traitor?

Let’s s kill GNIP again today, both for humourous purposes and to see what happens.

4 q_3st10n to c4ld14s ( @Caldias 😞

Why d1d y0_ n0t j_mp 0n Gh0st?

Th3r3 w4s 4 l13 4nd y0_ sh0_ld b3 t0wn...

5 hours ago, LTD said:

If Hero was the Roleblocker scum that would explain a bit perhaps?

Or was he the traitor?

Let’s s kill GNIP again today, both for humourous purposes and to see what happens.

Though you won't believe me, Hero was town.

If he was the traitor, what gambit would get him out if the game, since a lynch would merely change his alignment and keep him alive? If he was the rb, said gambit would weaken his team. I don't see him intentionally backstopping his teammate just to leave the game.

6 hours ago, PodRacer said:

Great post.

After re reading I'm pretty sure LP is just fishing to out the FV too.

The other slot I consider to have traitor equity is GSIPS, I wanna re read the last post hero made for clarity..

Not even “fishing”! Directly curious about when and how the FV should claim to maximise Town advantage.

Does one set an exact time and have all players reveal what fruit they have matched to a claim by the FV as to what fruits they vended and to which players? Were all to agree to publish at the same time that could minimise the opportunity for ‘gaming’ the Fruit Machine as it were (sorry, couldn’t resist).

But please tell me if I’ve over-thought this/complicated it. The role seems so ridiculous (and thus in keeping with the game) that I’m probably missing the obvious here.

As to missing the lynch, I’ve said sorry for that and restate my standing policy to vote for a lynch rather than go with no lynch. Had I been on I would have done so.

Oh, and in light of events I owe Ovi this - thank you for your responses (and actions) which more than sufficed to address the question of curiosity I previously raised.

Finally, many moons ago, I raised a potential willingness to vote for Hero but backed away from it on grounds of his potential empty chair. I am open to returning to that target of suspicion now not least because I am somewhat weary of going through the same old suspects list for the umpteenth time!

The fruit vendor reveals his specific fruit and recipient combos when about to be lynched to show that he is definitely town.

The FV says - don’t lynch me! I’m town and can prove it! I have Jack a pineapple night one and Dean a strawberry night two and Sarah a guava night three.

And then those folks step out and verify or deny.

If the fruit vendor has given all their fruit to scum they can deny it if they want, but then the fruit vendor is revealed in the lynch, and the scum have to explain why they lied.

This is the most wonderful character. How have we not played with it all the time?!

52 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

This is the most wonderful character. How have we not played with it all the time?!

B4d d1g3st10n m4yb3?

i think @Lord Preyer is scum

you have 2 votes

care to defend yourself/ or acknowledge these votes

@LTD you have shown your willingness to pressure LP but i don't see your vote yet.

I think it would accomplish the pressure you seek

20 minutes ago, Matt3412 said:

i think @Lord Preyer is scum

you have 2 votes

care to defend yourself/ or acknowledge these votes

I’ve given my defences and explanations on multiple occasions. I don’t need to be voted on to respond to them. Players enquire and I answer. Should they believe me to be Scum nonetheless they can vote for me.

I freely acknowledge this game has not been my finest hour. Between the random events, the timing changes and chaos of the second night I have felt more at sea than at any point since my early Mafia days!

Presume for a moment I am Town - I don’t think the killing of me creates LyLo (though correct me if I’m wrong) or a Scum win so you may wish to kill me anyway to ‘clear’ me as a suspect as it were and I understand that.

For my own part, I increasingly favour the Hero/GNIP double death gambit but am not fully committed - not least because all cases seem to rest upon instinct and circumstance at present.

16 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

For my own part, I increasingly favour the Hero/GNIP double death gambit but am not fully committed - not least because all cases seem to rest upon instinct and circumstance at present.

So. . . you wanted to kill Hero because he wasn't going to be able to participate, but now that I have replaced him and thus the issue is no longer valid (i.e., as if I were Hero from the beginning), you still want to vote him/me? Why? What is the new logic?

I am tempted to vote you on the basis of this focus on killing Hero/me, and will do so if I do not get a satisfactory response.

MNo. I was suspicious of Hero from earlier but didn’t like the idea of lynching an empty chair player.

One of the attractions to me of this line of enquiry is that it is fresher than my other Cal/Matt/BW lines that didn’t seem to be getting me (at least!) anywhere.

And if you think I am scum than I respect your vote of course. Bon chance!

19 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

The Mob:

@The Jabbawookie - Dead   Town Lie Detector

@ovinom  anc3r

@clontroper5 - Dead (Town Universal Backup)

@Herowannabe - Disappeared

@Matt3412

@Bertie Wooster

@GhostofNobodyInParticular Mk2

@PodRacer -

@Madaghmire - Dead Jailkeeper

@Caldias -

@Lord Preyer -

@LTD -

Leaving: Ovi, Matt, Bertie, Pod, Cal, GNIP (Hero), Preyer, LTD

Roles (Scum):

Mafia - Goon

Mafia - Roleblocker

Mafia - Traitor (Joins Scum after death, will appear lynchproof for essence of solve).

Roles (Town):

Town - Doc

Town - Lynchproof (unaware till lynched) (Double vote after lynch)

Town - Vanilla

Town - Vanilla

Town - Fruit Vendor

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Hmmn. It would seem the my sang froid in the face on my potential lynching may not be as fine a course as I had thought and hoped. As one mislynch delivers the game to the two Mafiosi and the Traitor, non?

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This is doubly concerning because we can easily end up in a situation where if Town votes too quickly on a target (and that target is incorrect) than Scum can pile on and finish that player off. Thus I suggest we return to our old supermajority/declare intention before voting protocols to be on the safe side.

Matt accuses you of lying here LP, what is your response?

2 hours ago, Lord Preyer said:

MNo. I was suspicious of Hero from earlier but didn’t like the idea of lynching an empty chair player.

One of the attractions to me of this line of enquiry is that it is fresher than my other Cal/Matt/BW lines that didn’t seem to be getting me (at least!) anywhere.

And if you think I am scum than I respect your vote of course. Bon chance!

Your Cal/Matt/BW lines? When did you suspect Cal/Matt? I don't remember you saying anything about Matt, and the only thing I recall you saying about Cal is that he's probably town.

I don't really like the idea of voting GNIP "just to see what happens" (paraphrasing LTD) or because it's a "fresh" idea. LTD suggested he could be roleblocker, I guess because roleblocker doesn't seem very active in this game (much like Hero), but I think that could be explained by the lack of order of operations in this game. I would need something stronger to convince me that Hero/GNIP is scum.

Ah, here's the exact quote

16 hours ago, LTD said:

If Hero was the Roleblocker scum that would explain a bit perhaps?

Or was he the traitor?

Let’s s kill GNIP again today, both for humourous purposes and to see what happens.

We are, as always, nowhere.

I thought we had a confirmed town in ovi surviving the night, but then the awful thought came - what if he is a traitor who knew GNP1 wasn’t a scum and so was happy to vote him?

I’m sure I’ve asked this before (and probably others as well) but I don’t remember the answer: does the traitor know the identities of the scum?

If so, ovi could be the traitor.

If no, ovi could still be the traitor, but less likely.

On a blind vote it’s 5/8 we pick a town and game over barring miracle doc save.

We have no investigative roles left, and I don’t see anyone making serious slip ups in statements.

I again think it’s time for a mass reveal - well, at least the fruit vendor. I will suggest the doc claim vanilla town until pressed strongly.

So not a mass reveal. But if the fruiterer would step forwards we are at least to 4/7 on a blind vote of picking town, and we don’t waste time heaping up accusations against someone who turns out to be a purveyor of tree byproducts.

If the doc revealed we are at 3/6, and 1/3 of Lynchproof - one VT out of 3, and one traitor out of three.

I’m not sure it is worth doc revealing though.

I think the FV can out, The doc we should be more careful with as its easier for the traitor to counterclaim.

A last thought is this - IF the traitor knows who the other scum are, then they have a voting block of three, so can turbo a town who already has two votes. Lord Preyer has had two votes for ages and not been turbo’d. So either Lord Preyer is scum OR the traitor does not know the identity of the scum OR there is already a scum vote among the two cast.

OR the scum are disorganised and incompetent.

IF the traitor does not know the scum identities they still have a voting block of two, so we need to be careful of putting someone at three votes.

On 11/29/2018 at 7:28 AM, EbonHawk said:

So I'm making one of the Goons a Traitor, the traitor will be informed who scum are, scum will not know them. If night killed they will join the scum faction, if lynched they will flip town and join scum. They will not be in daychat until recruited.

Traitor knows who scum are.