1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I passed mine as well.

Ebon, if the lie detector asks about a statement the traitor said regarding his towniness, in the manner of our actions this game, would it come up truth or lie?

I.e. If the traitor said 'I am town' would that be truth or lie? Would it depend on whether he had preciously been lynched when he said it?

nope, a traitor would be lying as *they* know they aren't town

28 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

Re riddles- I hadn't considered it, How do we prove it either way?

The same way we proof people's claim. We hear it, think about how it matches that player play thus far and the few facts we know and then lynch him to check our reasoning.

3 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

nope, a traitor would be lying as *they* know they aren't town

But we don't know if he knows his mates or we do?

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

But we don't know if he knows his mates or we do?

the traitor is aware

On 12/1/2018 at 1:56 PM, EbonHawk said:

The Mob:

@The Jabbawookie - (0)

@LTD - (0)

@ovinomanc3r - (0)

@clontroper5 - (7) LTD, Pod, Gnips, LP, Jabba, Matt, Cal

@Herowannabe - (0) Clon

@Matt3412 - (0)

@Bertie Wooster - (0)

@GhostofNobodyInParticular - (0) Podracer

@PodRacer - (1) LP , Clon

@Madaghmire - (0)

@Caldias - (1) Ovi

@Lord Preyer - (0) Matt, Be rtie

12 alive, 7 to hammer.

Clon is L-2

Less than 6 hours. 

Towels left to be claimed:

Hero / Ovi

I have 2 towels left I'm only bringing 1 with me so best bet someone stops needing theirs.

HAMMER TIME

On 12/2/2018 at 8:52 PM, EbonHawk said:

The Mob:

@The Jabbawookie - (4) Bertie, Pod, Gnips, Matt

@LTD - (0) Matt

@ovinomanc3r - (0)

@clontroper5 - Dead (Town Universal Backup)

@Herowannabe - (1) Cal

@Matt3412 - (0) LTD

@Bertie Wooster - (0)

@GhostofNobodyInParticular - (0)

@PodRacer - (0)

@Madaghmire - Dead Jailkeeper

@Caldias - (0)

@Lord Preyer - (0)

1 hour warning.

Jabba is L-2

Just bringing it here to don't have to look for it again.

9 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

nope, a traitor would be lying as *they* know they aren't town

3 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

the traitor is aware

They and then the traitor... Mod's slide here?

🙃

The reason I was concerned about the time suddenly shortening is because I’m in the odd Timezone to the rest of us, so likely to be sleeping when someone accidentally listens to Vogon poetry and we suddenly have 23 minutes to make a decision.

Who was it who made the “GNIP and Caldias are town” statement?

I am starting to think this was a mistake. How can someone assert something as true if they cannot know it?

Either the asserter knows they are both scum, and is lying (ie, both Cal and nips are scum) or the asserter is scum and knows the other is not scum (though maybe 3rd party), or the asserter knows they are town but has no idea the other is town, scum, or third party.

For any of these three options the only viable result from a lie detector is “lie”.

On 12/2/2018 at 12:39 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I am town.

Also, I can't guarantee my continued availability, so I will

##vote Jabba

for now, as I agree with Bertie that his posts have been particularly void of useful content without prewarning/explanation (as opposed to, say, hero).

Also, I would like to point out that Bertie, as the one to suggest the 'I am town' posts, is almost certainly town (unless it is a very cunning double-bluff).

On 12/3/2018 at 12:05 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Why?

On 12/3/2018 at 12:09 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Presumably it was because of his reactions?

I was wondering about that myself. Id he was killed seconds into night, would he have had time to recieve his result and wait around? If he died at the same time as receiving his result, then would he have reacted (which is normally not something a deceased should do)?

And if he did react, was it due to his results or the fact that he died and thought one of us killed him?

Essentially, while his actions make it appear likely that Cal is scum, I am hesitant to take it for granted.

On 12/3/2018 at 3:18 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

The idea was that Jabba got his result and thus placed sad faced on my and Cal's posts to indicate the result was negative. Matt is pretty sure, however, that the sad faces were placed before day's end (and hence before he got his result). I am inclined to believe him, both because I know I am town and because I doubt that Jabba, killed 'seconds into the night' according to Ebon, would have had time to get the result, place all the sad faces, then be told he was dead.

On 12/3/2018 at 6:19 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

I also suspect GNIP highly, but why are we voting now when there are 40+ hours to go? Is it because we're afraid of the Ravenous Bugblatter?

On 12/3/2018 at 6:33 PM, PodRacer said:

In part I guess, I wish to capitalize on the part of the game between timewarps and invading monsters to focus on the mafia aspect of things, but yes the fact I'v not burned Alive yet, been stabbed, or had my testes chewed by a mod controlled monster is a bonus.

I intend to celebrate by Lynching slippy nippy who has sheeped me the last two days, but is now suddenly out of reads when he cant follow me today mysteriously...

On 12/3/2018 at 6:36 PM, LTD said:

40 hours in this game could quickly turn into 4...

On 12/3/2018 at 6:50 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

Both fair points. Especially LTD. The uncertainty of time is messing with me this game. Anyway, I am also voting GNIP, for reasons which should be obvious if you've read our back and forth.

##vote GNIP

21 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Ebon started night at 3:53pm yesterday and Jabba made his reactions at 4:15pm yesterday. (Obviously these times are different for different time zones, but you get the point.)

Ebon told us that Jabba was killed "seconds" into the night, but Jabba beat them to the punch.

I don't know if Jabba knew immediately that he was dead. It's possible that Ebon did or didn't send him a "you're dead" message immediately after scum killed him. His death was not announced to us until D3.

GNIP was posting online immediately before night began (full disclosure: so was I) so it's quite possible that he put the kill in himself. I didn't see you posting around that time Caldias, I didn't bother to check to see if you were online, but you've been much less suspicious in my eyes this game.

5 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

All that I can say is that I am a vanilla town. I have had difficulty playing as I normally do due to the infinite improbabilities of this game, so my apologies for my poor performance.

If you are insistent on following Jabba's last reactions, then I must

##vote Cal

as I have no other alternative. I would urge you to keep a close eye on Matt and LTD, as they seemed eager to vote with little discussion. I would say the same about Bertie, but he came up with the statement plan.

5 hours ago, Matt3412 said:

i reread today.

i think bertie is suspiciously really pushing this Jabba thing. [that i'm still against] even if it is true because that doesn't seem like a fair game

##unvote

4 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Bertie has seemed particularly eager to vote (see also the Jabba votes), yet also remarkably eager to unvote. It feels like he's experimenting for easy trains.

From the rest, I am not getting too much. ovi has been the most pro-town it seems, in that he was the main one actually doing any analysis. Of the 17 pages we have filled up (discounting the sign up page), most of the posts have been jokes, fillers, or votes without explanation/defense. Now, I understand that D1 was a rush to get a lynch in due to the unexpected shortage of time, but in D2 we knew in advance how much time we had. Why were so few people doing anything, either constructive or otherwise? Why were the usually involved players like Cal silent, and why did it seem like players like Pod and LP, who know the game well enough to not get mixed up easily, made simple mistakes and overlooked.misinterpreted simple stuff? This whole game has been wacky, and it seems that everybody was paying more attention to enjoying the theme than actually playing the game.

Bertie in particular, ironically given his LD suggestion, hasn't been very constructive. The rest of his posts seem to be, primarily, jokes or votes.

##unvote

##vote Bertie

for suspicious behavior and a general eagerness to vote easy targets and unvote at the slightest pressure.

My thoughts:

1. GNIP initially thinks I'm "almost certainly town," and maintains this in a later post (in which he suspects Matt and LTD), but once Matt says I'm suspicious, GNIP jumps on the opportunity to tell everyone why he's voting for me now.

2. Matt thinks Jabba posted the reactions at the end of D2, and GNIP believes it without investigating.

I forgot to quote Caldias, but his response was more reasonable, asking if we could verify the times of the reactions. Once I demonstrated how he could verify this for himself, he believed. This is probably the main reason I suspect GNIP and not Caldias.

3. I quick voted GNIP because a) you never know when Ebon will slash time unexpectedly, b) the Ravenous Bugblatter is known for eating people, so I was concerned that it may eat Hero / Caldias once the six hours were up.

4. GNIP says clon's jokes and votes are suspicious, and votes clon. GNIP says my jokes and votes are suspicious, and votes me. In fact, it sounds like just about everyone except ovi has been joking and voting and unvoting too much in this game that's inspired by The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy! Well, at least I like the company I'm being associated with.

##vote GNIP

57 minutes ago, LTD said:

Who was it who made the “GNIP and Caldias are town” statement?

I am starting to think this was a mistake. How can someone assert something as true if they cannot know it?

Either the asserter knows they are both scum, and is lying (ie, both Cal and nips are scum) or the asserter is scum and knows the other is not scum (though maybe 3rd party), or the asserter knows they are town but has no idea the other is town, scum, or third party.

For any of these three options the only viable result from a lie detector is “lie”.

Just d1v1ng b@ck 1n. GN1P m@d3 th3 st@t3m3nt. G00d p01nt @b0ut wh@t th3 l13 br3@kd0wn c0uld b3. W1ll g0 0v3r th1s m0r3 @nd g1v3 my th0ughts t0n1ght. N33d t0 c@tch up.

On 12/2/2018 at 3:33 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

How about one of you says:

“A is town, B is town.”

Then two get cleared or it narrows the pool.

On 12/2/2018 at 3:39 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Gnips, would you kindly mention your and Caldia’s loyalty?

On 12/2/2018 at 3:40 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I don't know his, but we might as well go with

Cal and myself are town

That's an interesting point, LTD. GNIP did state it that way, but only because Jabba asked for it. So I wouldn't count it against GNIP.

It depends on our GM and how he works it. Does the lie detector simply detect absolute falsehoods, or does it detect if the player is lying?

If the latter, then we have no argument against either cal or nips.

If the former, we know at least one of them is scum - in which case we lynch one and then the other to see if it is both.

Of course, we probably don’t have time for that as we are effectively at ly Lo.

6 hours ago, PodRacer said:

@EbonHawk how are you going to resolve Hero's slot?

4 hours ago, EbonHawk said: - Dead Jailkeeper

Less than 20 hours left.

Well I can't put someone from Obvs in for obvious reasons. I can't replace him with the next dead person, because of the advantage that dead player could have based on their previous role/heros possible roles.

End of the day, unless someone out of game like a Cninja or Broba there isn't anything I can do.

If we can’t find a replacement for me I have an idea on how I can still contribute somewhat- I’ll post it closer to the end of the cycle, so I’d like to request that nobody hammers- at least not for the next 14 hours or so.

R3r3@d but n0th1ng r3@lly l3@pt 0ut @s susp1c10us. F0r wh@t 1ts w0rth 1 w0uld l1k3 cl@r1f1c@t10n 1f s@y1ng s0m3th1ng 0n3 c0uld n0t kn0w w0uld = @ l13 f0r d3t3ct0r purp0s3s @s LTD p01nt3d 0ut. 1 sh0uld h@v3 @ b3tt3r 1d3@ 0f wh3r3 t0 l00k/wh0 t0 v0t3 0nce th@t 1s cl@r1f13d. 1 sh0uld b3 much m0r3 @v@1l@bl3 t0m0rr0w dur1ng th3 d@y @s w3ll.

## unvote Caldias

LTD's post makes perfect sense. Hopefully @EbonHawk may clarify that.

7 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

My thoughts:

1. GNIP initially thinks I'm "almost certainly town," and maintains this in a later post (in which he suspects Matt and LTD), but once Matt says I'm suspicious, GNIP jumps on the opportunity to tell everyone why he's voting for me now.

I arrived at my suspicions of you independently from Matt, after I reread the thread. I skimmed through it, and didn't even notice Matt being suspicious of you.

7 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

2. Matt thinks Jabba posted the reactions at the end of D2, and GNIP believes it without investigating.

I didn't know-how could check the times.

7 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

I forgot to quote Caldias, but his response was more reasonable, asking if we could verify the times of the reactions. Once I demonstrated how he could verify this for himself, he believed. This is probably the main reason I suspect GNIP and not Caldias.

3. I quick voted GNIP because a) you never know when Ebon will slash time unexpectedly, b) the Ravenous Bugblatter is known for eating people, so I was concerned that it may eat Hero / Caldias once the six hours were up.

4. GNIP says clon's jokes and votes are suspicious, and votes clon. GNIP says my jokes and votes are suspicious, and votes me. In fact, it sounds like just about everyone except ovi has been joking and voting and unvoting too much in this game that's inspired by The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy! Well, at least I like the company I'm being associated with.

##vote GNIP

It's not that Imine joke votes per so. I minded clon's because he was doing it when we needed to actually vote with only a few hours left. Yours I mind only because they aren't a side thing to constructive consent but one of your main things this game. I realize that with the flavor being what it is jokes are going to be common, and I have engaged in some myself. But at least focus on investigating in the midst of it. Otherwise you aren't playing the game.

The Mob:

@The Jabbawookie - Dead Town Lie Detector

@ovinom  anc3r - (0)

@clontroper5 - Dead (Town Universal Backup)

@Herowannabe - (1) Matt , Matt , Cal

@Matt3412 - (0)

@Bertie Wooster - (1) Gnips

@GhostofNobodyInParticular - (3) Pod, LTD , Bertie , Matt , Matt , Bertie, Hero

@PodRacer - (0)

@Madaghmire - Dead Jailkeeper

@Caldias - (0) Ovi

@Lord Preyer - (0)

@LTD - (0) 

8 Alive, 5 to hammer. 

Gnips is L-2

under 7 hours left

12 hours ago, LTD said:

Does the lie detector simply detect absolute falsehoods, or does it detect if the player is lying?

That's one and the same for this role. A lie by admission or not is still a lie.

So for example say I'm scum/LTD is town

I say "I'm Town so is LTD". - That would be a lie, even if mine and LTDs roles were reversed, I would still be lying as part of the statement is false.

Soo make of that what you will

So Ghost, being town, would lie even not knowing what Cal is if Cal is scum.

And considering scum wanted to be sure for us to not know if Ghost was lying there is a thing there.

The more I think on it the more I see the chance of scum trying to mislead us killing Jabba. But Cal and Ghost, both, don't seem too inclined to vote each other what would be a logic move. If I am told that amongst Pod and me there is a scum I would vote Pod without doubt.

I am also thinking on the arsonist which would try to avoid to lynch a primed one if that's possible. And would also trigger the lie detector.

Also considering again the chsnces of the scum bluff (I think at the same time I type). Scum didn't know the doc before last night. Jabbas was a likely target for him to be protected and a risky shot for scum. If both were town, the bluff was a good move but really risky to completely fail showing the following day with three cleaned town. That's valid if one of them is the arsonist as scum don't know. A safest move would be to kill Cal or Ghost. That way if both are town only one is cleared (the other is dead), and if one is the arsonist or he will be lynched (in case of killing the town) or the other is not necessarily cleared (in case of killing the arsonist) as he could be still be scum. But if one of them (or both) is scum then killing the town is just a way to kill the scum mate so better to try to kill Jabba (the known town) and hope for a missed 50/50 shot. Even if they fail they keep the 50/50 shot. Given that I am pretty sure Ghost and/or Cal is scum.

Both avoiding the other could mean

a) one is the arsonist and primed the other so don't want to push until necessary and also know he is done as soon as it is know the other is town (it is scum but the arsonist doesn't know).

b) one is the traitor and know the other is scum.

In both cases the genuine scum take advantage from the lack of pressure from the other as he thinks he is the trapped one and if that dilemma is not resolved today he will fight another day.

These are my thoughts thus far.

I missed that there is no order of operations! It doesn't change what was the most logical move from scum but makes me happier as also means they don't necessarily know who the doc is.

12 hours ago, Herowannabe said:

If we can’t find a replacement for me I have an idea on how I can still contribute somewhat- I’ll post it closer to the end of the cycle, so I’d like to request that nobody hammers- at least not for the next 14 hours or so.

So I was about to post my plan for how I could contribute, but upon further review I realized that it would completely fail and most likely end with my immediate death. And that’s not helpful. So for now I’ll just add my vote to the biggest lynch train in order to hopefully prevent Scum from manipulating the lynch. I’ll follow mob mentality (for now) so if I need to switch my vote then @ mention me and I’ll try to get on before the end of the cycle to check.

## vote Gnips

On 12/3/2018 at 5:46 PM, EbonHawk said:

Cal and Hero look into the heart of the beast the sheer shock and horror they experience makes them forget all their vowels but the letter U.

E - 3

I - 1

O - 0

A - @

you may no longer use any vowel but U. @Herowannabe @Caldias

Wh00ps, just n0t1c3d th1s.

## vote Ghost

But I still look at you Cal.

I have the feeling we are at scum+arsonist or scum+traitor here.

I'd like to hear an alternate explanation too if it is true.

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

## vote Ghost

But I still look at you Cal.

I have the feeling we are at scum+arsonist or scum+traitor here.

I'd like to hear an alternate explanation too if it is true.

idk, i don't see this evidence

and you seem to be the only one going down this road?

Maybe your one of the 3 options?

Because as you have pointed out if we get this wrong... espesially if we go down this road on both of them then we lose.

##unvote [idk if i am currently just to make sure]

##vote @ovinomanc3r

GNIP is L-1 now.

Doctor, please heal as soon as night begins, if possible!

30 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

So I was about to post my plan for how I could contribute, but upon further review I realized that it would completely fail and most likely end with my immediate death. And that’s not helpful. So for now I’ll just add my vote to the biggest lynch train in order to hopefully prevent Scum from manipulating the lynch. I’ll follow mob mentality (for now) so if I need to switch my vote then @ mention me and I’ll try to get on before the end of the cycle to check.

## vote Gnips

im asking you to unvote. please do not follow the mob