Who wins in Legion?

Dooku will likely be faster and start with a weak ranged attack. Vader will have more health and hit harder.

3 hours ago, thepopemobile100 said:

Dooku will likely be faster and start with a weak ranged attack. Vader will have more health and hit harder.

Ranged attack? I could see him as movement 2, 5 total black and red mixed lightsaber dice, one Dark Power and one Leader trait and maybe droid guardian abilities

1 minute ago, buckero0 said:

Ranged attack? I could see him as movement 2, 5 total black and red mixed lightsaber dice, one Dark Power and one Leader trait and maybe droid guardian abilities

Give him a budget force lightning attack with half of palp's die roll and either remove pierce completely or give it pierce 1. And master of the force 1. No charge

Maybe a command card force lightning.

I could see that, although I don't like restricting attacks behind a card

Oooh......time for the ultimate tie breaker.

Well, we know that Darth Vader beats Dooku handily in RotS, and that's before he's had a few decades of training and experience in the Dark Side of the Force...


Game, set, match Vader.

2 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Well, we know that Darth Vader beats Dooku handily in RotS, and that's before he's had a few decades of training and experience in the Dark Side of the Force...


Game, set, match Vader.

Handily.....funny,

Not at all a one sided fight. Dooku was playing with his food (possibly/probably under orders.) By this I mean I head cannon that right before A and OW showed up Sheeve told Dooku "I want to get a good look at how Anakin fights. Don't go for a kill or serious injury until I have had a chance to do that." It's certainly plausible he was told that he would be allowed to escape should he be defeated or captured.

As an aside I still can't work out how Obi Wan's back wasn't broken by the railing and his pelvis wasn't crushed by the walkway.

But at the Battle of Coruscant, Anakin was in his prime. Full of youth, vigor, patriotic pride.

Vader you've got two old men, one of who is severely crippled. One of whom can do all the tricks the other one can, but can also shoot lightning, and achieved the rank of Master. 😲

If this was written/scripted I'd see it as the opposite of the final fight between Obi Wan and Maul.

But this is Legion. It's going to come down to who rolls better red dice.

Attack dice for lightsabers should be the same. Dooku gets force lightning as a 🎯/1 attack. Dooku would have move 2, and wouldn't have relentless. Might have Jump 1. Both should have master of the force 2. Can't figure his command cards. I mean something will give him multiple attacks. Maybe something similar to Leia's 3 pip card but let's him activate two things?

Oooh....he should have a command card that let's him move a piece of scatter terrain, maybe attack with it, or lets you throw an enemy unit into a piece of terrain for damage.. He does that in both of his on screen fights and did it a lot in Clone Wars and other media.

6 hours ago, Zrob314 said:

Handily.....funny,

Not at all a one sided fight. Dooku was playing with his food (possibly/probably under orders.) By this I mean I head cannon that right before A and OW showed up Sheeve told Dooku "I want to get a good look at how Anakin fights. Don't go for a kill or serious injury until I have had a chance to do that." It's certainly plausible he was told that he would be allowed to escape should he be defeated or captured.

As an aside I still can't work out how Obi Wan's back wasn't broken by the railing and his pelvis wasn't crushed by the walkway.

But at the Battle of Coruscant, Anakin was in his prime. Full of youth, vigor, patriotic pride.

Vader you've got two old men, one of who is severely crippled. One of whom can do all the tricks the other one can, but can also shoot lightning, and achieved the rank of Master. 😲

If this was written/scripted I'd see it as the opposite of the final fight between Obi Wan and Maul.

But this is Legion. It's going to come down to who rolls better red dice.

Attack dice for lightsabers should be the same. Dooku gets force lightning as a 🎯/1 attack. Dooku would have move 2, and wouldn't have relentless. Might have Jump 1. Both should have master of the force 2. Can't figure his command cards. I mean something will give him multiple attacks. Maybe something similar to Leia's 3 pip card but let's him activate two things?

Oooh....he should have a command card that let's him move a piece of scatter terrain, maybe attack with it, or lets you throw an enemy unit into a piece of terrain for damage.. He does that in both of his on screen fights and did it a lot in Clone Wars and other media.

Pretty sure that Dooku would still be like, 40 years older even if he teleported through time to fight old Vader.

Yeah but he wasn't a quadruple amputee in a self encased iron lung.

He did beat Obi Wan and Anakin on Geonosis,, kept all limbs intact against Yoda, nearly killed Obi Wan (as a master) and if you believe he was holding back could possibly have killed Anakin at Coruscant.

I'm not saying that Anakin or Vader are slouches. But Dooku was a bit of a BAMF himself.

Also Darth Sidious was significantly older than the people who tried to arrest him and look how it went for them. In clone wars he wiped the floor with Darth Maul.

Age matters not. "Luminous beings we are, not this crude matter."

Sidious wipes the floor with nearly every opponent he faces. Having his closest servant betray him was about the only way he gets beat.

Darth Vader wins by virtue of _not_ having a name that almost sounds like "dookie".

21 hours ago, Xiervak said:

Who wins in Legion?

I think it's a bit of a toss-up. I do think that Dooku should somehow be better against other melee combatants than Vader is since his specialty is dueling. In the same manner, he shouldn't be as effective against troopers, though the difference should be mild.

Force Lightning should make a pretty major difference in the damage race. Dooku will likely be faster and nimbler as well, so should make a difference at taking and defending objectives.

Also, he might be a better Commander because he probably won't wound himself and his own troopers. I expect that his commands will help him get an edge on individual units.

IF you give him Force Lightning more than in a command card, I see no reason to ever put him into Melee. As a duelist or melee specialist that would be a shame (at least from what we see in the movies). I say not ranged attacks, 2 black and 2 red or 3 red with Pierce 3 and movement 2

20 hours ago, buckero0 said:

Ranged attack? I could see him as movement 2, 5 total black and red mixed lightsaber dice, one Dark Power and one Leader trait and maybe droid guardian abilities

I think force users with melee weapons never will have mixed dice attack, cause the saber throw card. What half of your pool you use? The better or the worse? Haha

Well then you could do 2 red 2 black 2 white. Then you would get one of each. I really would like a leader that's not busting 200pts. Id also like some variety in the game. If Dooku is a clone of Vader but with droids instead of troopers i think i can avoid the next 2 factions and hold out for scum & villainy( which is what everyone wants anyway)

2 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

Well then you could do 2 red 2 black 2 white. Then you would get one of each. I really would like a leader that's not busting 200pts. Id also like some variety in the game. If Dooku is a clone of Vader but with droids instead of troopers i think i can avoid the next 2 factions and hold out for scum & villainy( which is what everyone wants anyway)

I don't really care about scum, so obviously not everyone wants it

34 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

Well then you could do 2 red 2 black 2 white. Then you would get one of each. I really would like a leader that's not busting 200pts. Id also like some variety in the game. If Dooku is a clone of Vader but with droids instead of troopers i think i can avoid the next 2 factions and hold out for scum & villainy( which is what everyone wants anyway)

I devoutly hope never to see scum in this game, so you're incorrect.....😊

Luke has 6 black with surges, 3.75 hits

Vader has 6 red no surges, 4.5 hits

Dooku should be somewhere in the middle, highly trained jedi/sith but not at Vader levels.

But that's hard to do without mixing dice or uneven dice which isn't good for saber throw. So think same as Luke would work well enough.

8 hours ago, DarkTrooperZero said:

Luke has 6 black with surges, 3.75 hits

Vader has 6 red no surges, 4.5 hits

Dooku should be somewhere in the middle, highly trained jedi/sith but not at Vader levels.

But that's hard to do without mixing dice or uneven dice which isn't good for saber throw. So think same as Luke would work well enough.

4 red with a surge? He's accurate but isn't going to be killing whole squads in one go. He also tends to inflict lighter wounds on heroes. Maybe give him a red die for defense with a surge during melee to balance out the aggression of the two we have so far.

If he gets Force Lightning, I hope it is an upgrade card similar to Lightsaber Throw. That way you can choose whether or not you want to take it and aren't necessarily restricted by game design.

15 hours ago, buckero0 said:

...scum & villainy( which is what everyone wants anyway)

No, absolutely not.

What would the regular troops be? Who would the Commanders be? Why on earth would they even be working together? Do you really want to put Jabba the Hutt on the table?

This is already an issue with X-Wing: once they add the Clone Wars era, S&V just gets ridiculous; they can have ships that span the entirety of all the films, TV shows, and whatever else the devs take inspiration from.

Additionally, S&V, if made, should be just a bunch of Operatives at best, motley, disorganized corps units at worst.

The only thing that I would care about getting for a Scum and Villainy faction is Operative Cad Bane, and I bet that he'll be put into the CIS (like Boba for Empire) since he did so much work for them in the Clone Wars TV show.

1 minute ago, Praetorate of the Empire said:

No, absolutely not.

What would the regular troops be? Who would the Commanders be? Why on earth would they even be working together? Do you really want to put Jabba the Hutt on the table?

This is already an issue with X-Wing: once they add the Clone Wars era, S&V just gets ridiculous; they can have ships that span the entirety of all the films, TV shows, and whatever else the devs take inspiration from.

Additionally, S&V, if made, should be just a bunch of Operatives at best, motley, disorganized corps units at worst.

The only thing that I would care about getting for a Scum and Villainy faction is Operative Cad Bane, and I bet that he'll be put into the CIS (like Boba for Empire) since he did so much work for them in the Clone Wars TV show.

Just here to Like that Cad Bane reference

I am guessing over time during the purge Vader ended up killing more Jedi and Masters than Dooku ever even came close to doing. I think Legion overall did a good job of capturing a lot of the essence of Vader in fact as a slow moving powerhouse. So in a straight up fight I would expect Vader to win but in an overall game Legion game I bet Dooku is better because:

I think Dooku will be a Luke, Palp hybrid. Where you get better mobility (move 2), similar health and defense dice to Palp and Luke, same attack dice as Palp but with a lightsaber attack range, a commander ability, master of the force 1. His command cards would generally be more flexible than Vader's and his mobility will allow him to flex better.