15 hours ago, Red Castle said:

One year after the release of the movie and they still can't let it go? I consider myself an optimist, but at this point that's just a waste of energy.

Just to be clear, I'm not talking about people that didn't like the movie, everyone can have their own opinion and I understand that there has been some decision made for the movie that doesn't please everyone. I'm talking about the people that feel the need, one year after the release of the movie, to remind everyone at every occasion that they hated the movie.... like a dog that barks every time someone knocks at the door...

I really have tried to avoid this argument for quite some time now, but I really have something I’d like to add, I would also like to add that the newer sequel trilogy is not what I have enjoyed when it comes to Star Wars and I’ve been around longer than all the movies.

The thing that bothers me most about these arguments is that the group who likes the movies are just as belligerent and offensive as the group they are attacking for being belligerent and offensive about the new movies. It’s just movies guys, **** I didn’t like the last Indiana Jones movie either and I haven’t found the need to go online and attack people who did or didn’t like the movie. It would be really nice if both sides could learn to shut their pie holes and discuss games.

I really don’t see the insanity of arguing with someone you’ve never met about something that makes absolutely no difference in life. If you want to hate on the new movies, I’m positive that there are sites on the internet where you can do that. If you want to love on the new movies and think they are the greatest thing ever created, I’m sure there’s a site somewhere out there for you too. Since we are on a site that concerns plastic spaceships that have no ability to act and no control over what creator designed them and implemented them into a story, maybe, just maybe we could try to stop being offensive and belligerent about something as insignificant as a movie, no matter what side of the line you view said movie(s) from.

I agree.. I see too many fanboyz bash on TLJ, as i did on the prequels, and those who liked them bash back... It's getting irritating..

1 hour ago, Vykk Draygo said:

I really have tried to avoid this argument for quite some time now, but I really have something I’d like to add, I would also like to add that the newer sequel trilogy is not what I have enjoyed when it comes to Star Wars and I’ve been around longer than all the movies.

The thing that bothers me most about these arguments is that the group who likes the movies are just as belligerent and offensive as the group they are attacking for being belligerent and offensive about the new movies. It’s just movies guys, **** I didn’t like the last Indiana Jones movie either and I haven’t found the need to go online and attack people who did or didn’t like the movie. It would be really nice if both sides could learn to shut their pie holes and discuss games.

I really don’t see the insanity of arguing with someone you’ve never met about something that makes absolutely no difference in life. If you want to hate on the new movies, I’m positive that there are sites on the internet where you can do that. If you want to love on the new movies and think they are the greatest thing ever created, I’m sure there’s a site somewhere out there for you too. Since we are on a site that concerns plastic spaceships that have no ability to act and no control over what creator designed them and implemented them into a story, maybe, just maybe we could try to stop being offensive and belligerent about something as insignificant as a movie, no matter what side of the line you view said movie(s) from.

That's the sad part of the generation we currently live in with Social Media and click bait articles. It seems to bring polarization of opinions. It seems like you can't just dislike something, you have to hate it; or you can't just like something, you have to love it. Or people feeling the needs to get their opinion validated, as if there was a right or wrong, and then antagonising people that doesn't share their opinion. It reminds me of the Console Wars, if you chose a Playstation then everything Playstation do is great and everything Microsoft do is bad, and vice versa.

Regarding The Last Jedi, I agree that there is bad apples in both sides and they are both responsible for creating this conflict.

As far as the insanity of arguing, I would say that there is a nuance. I agree that there is no point in arguing with someone that have strong feelings (one way or the other) about the movie. Like I said earlier, it's just a waste of energy because you won't change his/her mind. But I'm all for a civilized discussion about the movie. I personally loved The Last Jedi (actually thinking that it is the second best Star Wars movie right after ESB), but I understand (and accept) that some people didn't like it, or even hated it. I like to compare perception or interpretation with others. I think that is one thing art is about: creating discussion of opinion. To be honest, some of the critisism of The Last Jedi actually made me love the movie even more, because it made me rewatch some scenes with a new perspective, it made me overanalyze some of the decisions that was made. Luckily for me, it reinforced my personal opinion that this is a great movie, not just a great Star Wars movie.

So, to argue with others to try to force your opinion into them, I see no point in it. But to discuss it in a civilized manner to share your opinion, negative or positive, I'm okay with that. And as far as here not being the place for it, well, it is the Off-Topic forum, a place specifically created to discuss topics unrelated to the game. Since the game is about Star Wars, I think it should be expected that the movies get discussed from time to time in the off-topic forum.

2 hours ago, Red Castle said:

That's the sad part of the generation we currently live in with Social Media and click bait articles. It seems to bring polarization of opinions. It seems like you can't just dislike something, you have to hate it; or you can't just like something, you have to love it. Or people feeling the needs to get their opinion validated, as if there was a right or wrong, and then antagonising people that doesn't share their opinion. It reminds me of the Console Wars, if you chose a Playstation then everything Playstation do is great and everything Microsoft do is bad, and vice versa.

Regarding The Last Jedi, I agree that there is bad apples in both sides and they are both responsible for creating this conflict.

As far as the insanity of arguing, I would say that there is a nuance. I agree that there is no point in arguing with someone that have strong feelings (one way or the other) about the movie. Like I said earlier, it's just a waste of energy because you won't change his/her mind. But I'm all for a civilized discussion about the movie. I personally loved The Last Jedi (actually thinking that it is the second best Star Wars movie right after ESB), but I understand (and accept) that some people didn't like it, or even hated it. I like to compare perception or interpretation with others. I think that is one thing art is about: creating discussion of opinion. To be honest, some of the critisism of The Last Jedi actually made me love the movie even more, because it made me rewatch some scenes with a new perspective, it made me overanalyze some of the decisions that was made. Luckily for me, it reinforced my personal opinion that this is a great movie, not just a great Star Wars movie.

So, to argue with others to try to force your opinion into them, I see no point in it. But to discuss it in a civilized manner to share your opinion, negative or positive, I'm okay with that. And as far as here not being the place for it, well, it is the Off-Topic forum, a place specifically created to discuss topics unrelated to the game. Since the game is about Star Wars, I think it should be expected that the movies get discussed from time to time in the off-topic forum.

I agree on the civil discussion, if one can be had, it’s just the endless bashing to prop it up or tear it down that has grown very tiresome.

3 hours ago, Vykk Draygo said:

I agree on the civil discussion, if one can be had, it’s just the endless bashing to prop it up or tear it down that has grown very tiresome.

I absolutely agree. That's why my first comment on this thread was a suggestion to Captain Lackwit to just ignore them... there really is no point arguing if nothing will come out of it.

I do look forward to flying my Tie FO’s, I have missed them, and I’m hopeful there will be something interesting from EP IX to pair with them.

Just been re-watching the Guardians of the Galaxy films. Absolutely amazing.

On 12/8/2018 at 10:29 PM, Red Castle said:

One year after the release of the movie and they still can't let it go?

It is 20 years after the prequels and people still can't let that go.

57 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

It is 20 years after the prequels and people still can't let that go.

One doesn’t excuse the other. And if you ask me, it’s about **** time that people let it go about the prequels too!

Simon Pegg ripped on the prequels in Spaced, and it was hilarious. The funny thing is, if you take the exact same scene and dub in "The Last Jedi" over "The Phantom Menace" and "Rian Johnson" over "George Lucas", it works just as well.

Could probably do the same thing with the Tim / Bilbo Jar Jar discussion and sub in Porgs...

On 12/10/2018 at 11:25 PM, FTS Gecko said:

Could probably do the same thing with the Tim / Bilbo Jar Jar discussion and sub in Porgs...

Cept, you know, Jar Jar was like part of the main cast and porgs were literaly set dressing?

I personally think a lot of people who dislike TLJ do express that in an obnoxious matter, because they want to make everything tangentially related about their opinion on the movie (aka themselves). Excited for sequel content coming to 2.0 and making a thread about it? There is a guarantee that at some point someone will regurgitate how bad a movie youtube told them TLJ was. Excited for the next movie? Someone needs to derail that discussion because they aren't and rather want to hit the 'TLJ is baaad' playlist with all of its three songs again. It's childish and tired. I don't go to TLJ clickbaitique videos either to comment how they are wrong and should be mandatorily excited about the next movie. There is nothing of value my comments would add to that space, because the members of it don't want to hear it since they have heard it all before and rejected it. Which is totally fine, I'd just prefer it if some of that decency were to be extended towards me who is excited for sequel content and would like to communicate that with parts of the community that think alike. I'm not saying I don't want to hear divergent opinions, I'm just saying I'd like for people to express them in spaces where it actually makes sense. If you think your opinion is so important you need to plaster it everywhere, that just makes you look like a bit of a douchebag.

2 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

Cept, you know, Jar Jar was like part of the main cast and porgs were literaly set dressing?

@Admiral Deathrain : The Last Jedi was 12 months ago, Gecko!

@FTS Gecko : I know, Admiral, OK? It just... it still hurts! @Captain Lackwit wanted a Porg doll!

@Admiral Deathrain : Lackwit likes Porgs!

@FTS Gecko : Why?!

@Admiral Deathrain : What about the Ewoks? They were rubbish! You don't complain about them!

@FTS Gecko : Yeah, but the Porgs make the Ewoks look like... ****ing Shaft!

See? Still holds up today. Fine, British-made self-deprecating pop culture comedy. And while we're at it...

@Admiral Deathrain : I was like you once, Gecko. Blond hair. Scraggly little beard. Childlike ears. Full of beans and spunk. I let my principles get in the way sometimes. I punched a bloke in the face once for saying "Hawk the Slayer" was rubbish.

@FTS Gecko : Good for you.

@Admiral Deathrain : Yeah, thanks. But that's not the point, Gecko. The point is I was defending the fantasy genre with terminal intensity, when what I should have said is "Dad, you're right, but let's give Krull a try and we'll discuss it later."

All started of course by...

@FTS Gecko : You are SO BLIND! You so DO NOT UNDERSTAND! You weren't there at the beginning! You don't know how good it was, how important! This is it for you! This jumped-up firework display of a toy advert! People like you make me sick! What's wrong with you? Now, I don't care if you've saved up all your 50p's, take your pocket money and get out!

( @Captain Lackwit runs off crying)

@FTS Gecko : …what a *****.

Don’t let yourself get dragged down people, nothing good will come out of it.

Yeah anyhow, episode 9 rumours, wouldn't trust them when the movie isn't even in its marketing phase, yet. I am very curious about the movie, though. TLJ left us in such a dire situation that I wonder what route they will go to set up 9. My guess is a larger time skip into an already reestablished resistance that is trying to unite the parts of the galaxy that aren't under FO rule, but that is so broad and general that really anything could come from that. There is a lot of room to develop the story into different directions, that is just exciting to me!

49 minutes ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

Yeah anyhow, episode 9 rumours, wouldn't trust them when the movie isn't even in its marketing phase, yet. I am very curious about the movie, though. TLJ left us in such a dire situation that I wonder what route they will go to set up 9. My guess is a larger time skip into an already reestablished resistance that is trying to unite the parts of the galaxy that aren't under FO rule, but that is so broad and general that really anything could come from that. There is a lot of room to develop the story into different directions, that is just exciting to me!

I'm personally trying to avoid everything about Episode 9 until I see the movie, just like I did with 7 and 8, except for the trailers.

My personnal guess is that we will get a little time jump, but not too far away. I expect to see some politic where the Resistance still need to find allies. The Episode is supposed to be about Leia (7 was about Han and 8 about Luke), I wonder how they will deal with it. I know that they will use footage from previous Episode 7 and 8 shooting, but how they will put it into the story has me very intrigued.

I'm also guessing that Rey will die with Kylo at the end. The Force brought her to balance Kylo, so I suspect that she needs to go away when Kylo dies. I hope she survive, but I expect her to die at the end. Same with Kylo to officially end the Skywalker saga.

As for Ezra being in the movie, I would be very surprised if that rumor was true. We currently have no idea what happened to Ezra so having him in the movie would spoil us a little about his future, where he ended up. I'm pretty sure that Dave Filloni still wants it to be a mystery.

20 minutes ago, Red Castle said:

I'm personally trying to avoid everything about Episode 9 until I see the movie, just like I did with 7 and 8, except for the trailers.

I'm even avoiding those, been burned on trailers giving away too much. but a little bit of speculation sure is fun, especially from the place TLJ left off!

3 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

I'm even avoiding those, been burned on trailers giving away too much. but a little bit of speculation sure is fun, especially from the place TLJ left off!

I know I should too... but I know myself and I won’t be able to resist!

I am also avoiding spoilers as much as i can, on Ep 9..

6 hours ago, Red Castle said:

The Episode is supposed to be about Leia (7 was about Han and 8 about Luke), I wonder how they will deal with it. I know that they will use footage from previous Episode 7 and 8 shooting, but how they will put it into the story has me very intrigued.

Wait, is that actually "a thing"? Were 7 and 8 really supposed to be "about" Han and Luke? (I mean, I've seen them, I know there was a bunch of other stuff going on.)

It's like the celebration at Yavin is still going on and Chewbacca's STILL standing right there, unrecognized... 🙄

5 hours ago, NotBatman said:

Wait, is that actually "a thing"? Were 7 and 8 really supposed to be "about" Han and Luke? (I mean, I've seen them, I know there was a bunch of other stuff going on.)

It's like the celebration at Yavin is still going on and Chewbacca's STILL standing right there, unrecognized... 🙄

I can't remember where I read that, but yes. Episode 7 was the sendoff of Han Solo and 8 the sendoff of Luke Skywalker. Episode 9 should be the sendoff of Leia in a proper manner (I said should be because we don't know for sure if she'll die or not in Episode 9) and not just offscreen (considering the loss of our dear Princess Carrie Fisher).

As for Chewie, he might be the only one surviving, so I consider that a win for him.

15 hours ago, Red Castle said:

Don’t let yourself get dragged down people, nothing good will come out of it.

I mean, I have to at least say I'm ambivalent to Porgs and Porg products, and definitely never wanted a porg plush..? That's my little sister's dealio.

Who's to say Ep 9 won't be a send off for Chewie?

7 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

I mean, I have to at least say I'm ambivalent to Porgs and Porg products, and definitely never wanted a porg plush..? That's my little sister's dealio.

Porgs were alright, they didn’t bother me as I thought they would when I saw the trailer.

But then again, I also like the Ewok and the Gungans so....

6 hours ago, LTuser said:

Who's to say Ep 9 won't be a send off for Chewie?

True. I’ve just got a feeling he will survive... kinda like a middle finger because he’s the only one that died in the old canon Chewie’s revenge!

6 hours ago, Red Castle said:

Porgs were alright, they didn’t bother me as I thought they would when I saw the trailer.

But then again, I also like the Ewok and the Gungans so....

Porgs to me, were needless.. Ewoks served a purpose, allowing the rebels to recruit actual natives to help in the fight. What exactly did the porgs do, other than 'doe eye chewie into not eating one??