Dark Side upgrades?

By Pewpewpew BOOM, in X-Wing

Is there something on the Dark Side cards that indicates who can and can’t take them?

It'll be in the core rules. And it'll be faction based.

9 minutes ago, Pewpewpew BOOM said:

Is there something on the Dark Side cards that indicates who can and can’t take them?

I think the devs were asked the question and said that Republic, Rebels, and Resistance can take Light Side force upgrades and CIS, Empire, and FO can take Dark Side force upgrades, meaning for Scum to ever take them you need to equip Maul to the ship.

Just now, Animewarsdude said:

I think the devs were asked the question and said that Republic, Rebels, and Resistance can take Light Side force upgrades and CIS, Empire, and FO can take Dark Side force upgrades, meaning for Scum to ever take them you need to equip Maul to the ship.

99% sure Scum get them too, from what Alex said at Euros, but that might have changed.

If true it just puts yet another nail in Asajj's coffin, since Hate doubles up with Maul's ability.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

99% sure Scum get them too, from what Alex said at Euros, but that might have changed.

If true it just puts yet another nail in Asajj's coffin, since Hate doubles up with Maul's ability.

So take one damage and fully refill your force?

9 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:

So take one damage and fully refill your force?

At best it would add 2 points (Maul increases Asajj's Force pool by 1 to a total of 3). It may be that 1 damage taken only procs either Maul or Hate instead of both though.

It procs both, but having Maul's ability is then pretty much entirely irrelevant - you're rarely going to only take one damage and relatively rarely going to have more than one force to recover, so overall... If Asajj has to equip Maul to get Dark Side, it's not worth her getting Dark Side.

Despite being one of the strongest Dark Side force users in canon.

IDK.

1 minute ago, Hiemfire said:

At best it would add 2 points (Maul increases Asajj's Force pool by 1 to a total of 3). It may be that 1 damage taken only procs either Maul or Hate instead of both though.

Ah yes, forgot Maul added a force. Both upgrades have the same trigger, so they will both go off. Take one damage, regain two force. I'm not saying it's the best option for her (points pending), but being able to spend force as freely as Luke isn't a bad thing.

6 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:

Ah yes, forgot Maul added a force. Both upgrades have the same trigger, so they will both go off. Take one damage, regain two force. I'm not saying it's the best option for her (points pending), but being able to spend force as freely as Luke isn't a bad thing.

If it is cheaper than Maul, just taking Hate (if she's permitted Dark Side Talents without him) would be a nice boost to her. :)

So, anyone found any confirmation who can take Dark Side upgrades?

3 hours ago, Oldpara said:

So, anyone found any confirmation who can take Dark Side upgrades?

It's likely going to be a list in the rules reference when they update it or you are just going to have to look in the app. Its a rather clunky way of doing it.

They should have made generic talent, dark side, and light side talents all separate symbols, so you can quickly reference who can take what when you are looking at pilots.

Edited by Jo Jo

lol I hadn't noticed we don't actually have the rules on who can take Dark Side yet

Sigh

13 minutes ago, Jo Jo said:

It's likely going to be a list in the rules reference when they update it or you are just going to have to look in the app. Its a rather clunky way of doing it.

They should have made generic talent, dark side, and light side talents all separate symbols, so you can quickly reference who can take what when you are looking at pilots.

This would have been a more elegant solution.

The real question is, will Mail allow anybody to equip Dark Side upgrades, or do you need to have a Force slot first?

I very much hope it is the former, but there’s a non-zero chance the app ends up bugged so we won’t even know.

4 minutes ago, Matanui3 said:

The real question is, will Mail allow anybody to equip Dark Side upgrades, or do you need to have a Force slot first?

I very much hope it is the former, but there’s a non-zero chance the app ends up bugged so we won’t even know.

You need a force slot. He doesn't add the slot, he just relaxes the restrictions on it.

54 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

You need a force slot. He doesn't add the slot, he just relaxes the restrictions on it.

That would just make him worthless in-faction, though.

5 minutes ago, Matanui3 said:

That would just make him worthless in-faction, though.

It would let Ventruss take Dark Side force upgrades if Scum doesn't get to take them normally.

13 minutes ago, Matanui3 said:

That would just make him worthless in-faction, though.

He does have a force point and an ability, but yes, that part of his ability is useless in Scum, if Scum get Dark Side.

And if Asajj have to equip Maul to be able to use Dark Side something has gone horribly wrong, and she's the only Scum Force talent.

Isn't it going to simply be a sub-category of Force upgrade? Isn't there a chance we'll get that as a key word sort of deal? The rules text will say " Dark Side: " or " Light Side: " on it but the card will make use of the usual restriction box and say Rebel, Republic, or so on?

Just now, Frimmel said:

Isn't it going to simply be a sub-category of Force upgrade? Isn't there a chance we'll get that as a key word sort of deal? The rules text will say " Dark Side: " or " Light Side: " on it but the card will make use of the usual restriction box and say Rebel, Republic, or so on?

We can already see the entire card already of the only one released thus far, and all it says is 'Dark side'.

1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:

We can already see the entire card already of the only one released thus far, and all it says is 'Dark side'.

Which card is this? I haven't seen it.

3 hours ago, Jo Jo said:

It's likely going to be a list in the rules reference when they update it or you are just going to have to look in the app. Its a rather clunky way of doing it.

They should have made generic talent, dark side, and light side talents all separate symbols, so you can quickly reference who can take what when you are looking at pilots.

They still could introduce color coded upgrade symbols (fingers crossed) to the app.

and in the points list they can add a little foot note indicator.

The FO kit doesn’t come with some sort of rules reference that says anything about it?

Anyone have the kit yet to check?

7 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

Which card is this? I haven't seen it.

Hate, in the FO kit.

4 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

The FO kit doesn’t come with some sort of rules reference that says anything about it?

Anyone have the kit yet to check?

I don;t think it comes with anything except for the card list.

The sheet with the card list in the Rebel conversion kit had some new rules listed... I don’t see why this wouldn’t.